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kristopher

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6. Here is the nuclear industry spin clearly identified for you

Sun Dec 25, 2011, 01:20 PM

Dec 2011

Globalscan questions:

01
We should use the nuclear power plants that we already have, but we should not build new ones.

02
Nuclear power is dangerous and we should close down all operating nuclear power plants as soon as possible.

03
Nuclear power is relatively safe and an important source of electricity, and we should build new nuclear power plants.

Nuclear industry reporting
01 + 03 = Level of strong support for nuclear power.

Reality
03 = Level of strong support for nuclear power.

The question facing us is where do we spend our money going forward. An overwhelming majority of both experts and the public say renewable energy and energy efficiency.

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Nuclear Power Remains Key To America's Energy Future [View all] LAGC Dec 2011 OP

Americans oppose building more nuclear power plants in the United States, by a margin of 2-1 kristopher Dec 2011 #1

I notice that poll you cite was taken clear back in April, back when Fukashima was fresh... LAGC Dec 2011 #2

Your OP is using polling commissioned by the nuclear industry lobbying group NEI, isn't it? kristopher Dec 2011 #3

Looks like there were a lot of polls Confusious Dec 2011 #5

Here is the nuclear industry spin clearly identified for you kristopher Dec 2011 #6

I'll be protesting the resumption of building any new nuke plants madokie Dec 2011 #18

Your OP author is "creatively framing" the issue of support. kristopher Dec 2011 #4

Only 2 countries favor building new nuclear power plants more than the USA txlibdem Dec 2011 #8

No countries favor building reactors... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #10

100% of Americans want reliable electric service txlibdem Dec 2011 #17

And nuclear plants don't trip unexpectedly? jpak Dec 2011 #20

Let's see... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #21

You've only listed the reasons why we need to build NEW nuclear power plants to REPLACE old. txlibdem Dec 2011 #22

OK, give us some data... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #27

Ridiculous questions, unanswerable about DVD players, the XBOX, etc. txlibdem Dec 2011 #29

Your inability to provide a single answer... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #30

Anyone can determine the price of a DVD player??? txlibdem Dec 2011 #48

After you are done cherrypicking... Nederland Dec 2011 #68

Interesting to note that Iran is missing. Probably not easy to poll there. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #9

Interesting. According to that poll the USA is strongly pro-nuke. GliderGuider Dec 2011 #11

1) Most don't want more nukes; 2) We spend more on national defense than everyone else combined. kristopher Dec 2011 #12

Oh, the USA has more dysfunctions than just nukes and war. GliderGuider Dec 2011 #13

Wrong as usual.... PamW Dec 2011 #35

Typical flotsam from the left PamW Dec 2011 #36

Nonsense from the right jpak Dec 2011 #52

Our defense spending is ignoble, and it is "war loving" Kolesar Dec 2011 #56

Wait... when did that happen? waddirum Dec 2011 #15

???!!! "Fukishima isn't a serious threat anymore" what planet do you live on? diane in sf Dec 2011 #72

Welcome back stranger. kristopher Dec 2011 #73

It's not key now, so it can't remain key. bananas Dec 2011 #7

Well then, investors should be funding these plants jpak Dec 2011 #14

Suckers in the Southeast... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #16

yup - ratepayers in FL are paying ~$10 a month per household and there's $50 billion in gov't loan jpak Dec 2011 #19

The world got screwed by misguided anti-nuke activists txlibdem Dec 2011 #23

Misleading... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #24

Nothing misleading in my post... deflecting much are we? txlibdem Dec 2011 #25

In part, in very small part... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #26

You're on the periphery of the truth. Too bad close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. txlibdem Dec 2011 #28

Provide some proof... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #31

Here you go Nederland Dec 2011 #32

It depends on how you read the analysis... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #33

Provide some proof... Nederland Dec 2011 #34

No. Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #37

Put up or shut up Nederland Dec 2011 #38

More reactors (110) were canceled than actually built and operated in the US jpak Dec 2011 #43

I agree Nederland Dec 2011 #61

What do you make of this kristopher Dec 2011 #39

I agree Nederland Dec 2011 #40

That red herring explains neither early nor recent cost escalations. kristopher Dec 2011 #41

You have it backwards Nederland Dec 2011 #42

No the price in the 60s and early 70s wasn't stable. Look at the table. kristopher Dec 2011 #44

There are two issues here Nederland Dec 2011 #46

"A low estimated cost does not cause a high actual cost" kristopher Dec 2011 #51

I'm glad we agree Nederland Dec 2011 #59

So you accept that fraud and a negative learning curve are the problems? kristopher Dec 2011 #60

No Nederland Dec 2011 #62

Apparently you can't be bothered to consider the totality of an argument. kristopher Dec 2011 #63

Apparently you can't be bothered to consider the totality of an industry. Nederland Dec 2011 #64

Your case has been demolished. kristopher Dec 2011 #65

Really? Nederland Dec 2011 #66

Look at the table. kristopher Dec 2011 #67

Your table's data conveniently stops at 1977 Nederland Dec 2011 #69

The data goes to completion of plants started through 1977. kristopher Dec 2011 #70

It also excludes the most expensive plants Nederland Dec 2011 #71

The costs of the French nuclear scale-up: A case of negative learning by doing FSSF Dec 2011 #74

Welcome to our forum Kolesar Dec 2011 #75

Do you agree with Professor Cohen? Kolesar Dec 2011 #45

Yes Nederland Dec 2011 #47

No, do you agree with Cohen that Cohen doesn't know jack shit about risk analysis? Kolesar Dec 2011 #53

Yes Nederland Dec 2011 #57

Here's an anti-nuke bragging that they did just that, and more. Facts. txlibdem Dec 2011 #49

No so-called activists mobilizing against coal txlibdem Dec 2011 #50

Sitting on your chunk posting on a message board doesn't count as "activism" either, Tex Kolesar Dec 2011 #54

If I wasn't 100% disabled I'd be on the picket lines as we speak txlibdem Dec 2011 #58

Help me out here... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #55

Factory produced small (>500 MW) modular reactors Maslo55 Dec 2011 #76

yup... keep waiting for that nuclear renaissance waddirum Dec 2011 #77

indeed it will happen Maslo55 Dec 2011 #78

Cheap fossil fuel is going away... Bob Wallace Dec 2011 #79

We need ALL of the zero-carbon energy sources, not just 2 txlibdem Jan 2012 #80

There are no Gen IV nuclear power plants... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #81

Let's absolutely start with what we have (wind and solar) txlibdem Jan 2012 #82

If something emerges in 2020 or 2030 or 2040 or 2050... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #83