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GliderGuider

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9. A few further comments, for those who want to save civilization.
Sat May 12, 2012, 05:56 PM
May 2012
  • Politics has nothing to offer this situation. The biophysical driver of fossil fuel energy transcends all political boundaries and philosophies.
  • Fossil fuels have supplied 89% of the total primary energy used throughout the world over the last 55 years, and supply 87% of the energy used today, according to BP Statistical Review 2011).
  • Agriculture started the ball rolling about 8,000 years ago, and got our population to 1.8 billion in 1900 without fossil fuels. But the logistical curve didn't take off until the serious use of fossil fuels began in about 1900. To a first approximation, everything we've done since 1900, including agriculture, has been the result of our use of fossil fuels. That's the point of the green line in the original graph.
  • We are too close to the inflection point (~20 years or less), and have built too much fossil-dependent infrastructure, for renewables to do more that act as a buffer in some places against the most egregious effects of the decline.
  • The correlation of primary energy and world population is self-evident. The following graph uses Gail Tverberg's energy graph from the OP as the reference point for energy.

Yeah. So? RobertEarl May 2012 #1
Probably more than a "Yeah? So?" question for those of us who have children. villager May 2012 #2
You have children? RobertEarl May 2012 #3
Hell yes, I'm worried about what we're leaving to our kids. Jackpine Radical May 2012 #5
What will you do? RobertEarl May 2012 #6
"Yes" villager May 2012 #7
"So??" That's the response of a sociopath, of someone with kestrel91316 May 2012 #8
Did you read the whole post? RobertEarl May 2012 #10
Some questions kristopher May 2012 #4
A few further comments, for those who want to save civilization. GliderGuider May 2012 #9
How does accepting your thesis help save civilization? kristopher May 2012 #11
Seriously? RobertEarl May 2012 #12
"But what do I know?" kristopher May 2012 #13
Nows your big chance RobertEarl May 2012 #15
That depends on what you do with it. GliderGuider May 2012 #14
If the British Empire used coal as a work multiplier, FogerRox May 2012 #16
That's why I bracket the dates 1900 and 1925. GliderGuider May 2012 #17
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