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napoleon_in_rags

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27. I'm reading it, but it keeps implying that the government creates money.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:51 AM
Feb 2013

But research shows that it does not. One of many sources:

There is a common misconception that banks or governments create money. Governments only borrow money into existence from the banks.

http://www.vantagequest.org/trees/money.htm#.URczGH1kd3A

But from the book:

"We need the Federal Government's spending to get the money we need to pay our taxes."

Yet all my sources say that the private central bank - in the case of this country its called the Federal Reserve - alone creates money. The only ability our government has to mint money is as coins, and thus the talk of the Trillion Dollar Coin to pay off the debt:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/the-trillion-dollar-coin_b_2508437.html


I appreciate what the author is saying, many of the ideas ignore the false scarcity which can only lead us into debt slavery. But he doesn't address the fundamentals: An economy where 50 trillion is owed in debt, but only 10 trillion exists as money, and its all owed to private banks. Contrary to what he says, the government CAN be insolvent, and that amounts to a handover of all the public assets to private bankers, as we've been seeing in Greece.

Can somebody please save me from Zeitgeist? [View all] napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 OP
Bookmarking for when I want to have a nervous breakdown n/t Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #1
Lol! I'm currently treating my own with a glass of win and John Lennon Therapy: napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #2
Money is created as debt... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #3
Its BLOWING MY MIND. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #5
Well, that's what the mortgage crunch was all about.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #6
You're supposed be calming me down, but what I'm hearing is - its true!!! napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #7
I do apologize, most sincerely.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #9
Oh, it was you! Thank you so much. But answer me one question: napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #10
I've known about this for years... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #12
But what reforms? napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #14
The debt can be paid down by raising revenue and cutting spending... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #18
If you' re writing this from a comfy chair in front of a nice desk truedelphi Feb 2013 #37
I was SHOCKED at the answers to Elizabeth Warren today. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #38
I'm not an economist, and... RevStPatrick Feb 2013 #4
But you sound so non-chalant about it! napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #8
I'm non-chalant about it because... RevStPatrick Feb 2013 #15
Like? napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #16
Global climate change? RevStPatrick Feb 2013 #17
I think you can download this for free and it may help you feel more confident. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #26
I'm reading it, but it keeps implying that the government creates money. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #27
Well it is... sendero Feb 2013 #28
Well, money is debt at its heart Warpy Feb 2013 #11
I'm with you on that. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #13
I've watched all the Zeitgeist flicks, and Kymatica which preceded it. This is CT, but interesting. freshwest Feb 2013 #23
I think there's reason in your optimism. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #24
I wanna make one more comment on this great reply. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #25
This conversation has been so good, I had to get some hearts my own damned self MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #19
Thanks for commenting. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #20
Precisely why I left banks behind in 1978. I worked in banks for 10 years. mbperrin Feb 2013 #21
Man, I'm glad we have teachers like you in our educational system. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #22
Good conversation by all 2naSalit Feb 2013 #29
That's a good post, I struggle with that question a lot. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #30
If answerd already Mattias Feb 2013 #31
Thinking about the stories behind it all... napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #33
Conversations like this is why I come into this group. A couple of thing to help you cope. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #32
Will check it out: napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #34
When previous cultures have reached the point we are at in the past, Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #35
Its in the Bible! napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #36
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