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mostlyconfused

(211 posts)
22. Not hysterical, factual, and here's the arithmetic
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:30 AM
Jan 2013

We can take a look at corporate tax revenue separately...I've not dug into those figures as deeply. But in terms of personal income taxes there is simply no way you can tax the rich enough to come close to dealing with the deficit. My source...IRS data of actual tax returns. The most recent tax year with detailed information available was 2009.
Source: http://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats---Individual-Statistical-Tables-by-Size-of-Adjusted-Gross-Income

The IRS data does not break out returns above $250K (which is roughly that top 2%), so let's take returns with taxable income above $200K.

> Number of returns in that category in 2009: 723,191
> Total taxable income from those returns: $903.1 billion
> The portion from returns in excess of $200K: $758.4 billion
> Of that, the portion not from capital gains: about $535 billion
> Tax collected on those dollars at a 34% rate: $182 billion
> Additional tax collected at a new 39% rate: $27 billion. Really no impact on the deficit.

And if you raised the income tax rate on those dollars to 100%?
> Additional tax collected at 100% rate: $354 billion, or 32% of last year's annual deficit. Pretty good chance this is not something you could do year after year.

Quick thoughts on corporate taxes...according to IRS data corporations paid $175 billion in taxes in 2011. ThinkProgress says that was 12.1% of profits on activities within the US.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/02/03/418171/corporate-taxes-40-year-low/
Bump that effective rate to 16% and you bring in about $56 billion more. A rate of 35% means $331 million more taxes each year.

So a roughly tripling of the effective tax rate on corporations, plus a 100% rate in income above $200K...and you raise $685 billion in new taxes. That's not paying off the debt in 10 years, it's covering 78% of last year's annual deficit.

And to think... We had the problem solved MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1
That is why we should simply go off the fiscal cliff and JDPriestly Dec 2012 #2
Agreed n/t golfguru Dec 2012 #5
Correct, just return to the Clinton era, when we had two years of budget surplus mbperrin Dec 2012 #6
Actually 4 years of surpluses under Clinton progree Dec 2012 #8
If we return to both the tax rates and the spending levels under Clinton, you'd have a point mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #15
Oh, okay, since we couldn't do ALL of that, then NONE of it was worth doing, mbperrin Jan 2013 #16
No. Just saying we need to do both to fix the problem. mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #17
Sure they can. The current budget is about 25% of GDP. mbperrin Jan 2013 #18
Minor clarification of last paragraph. Otherwise, generally I agree. progree Jan 2013 #19
No, they can't, unless we tax almost everybody mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #20
Please don't get hysterical. It serves you ill. mbperrin Jan 2013 #21
Not hysterical, factual, and here's the arithmetic mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #22
Better look at corporate profits again. On track for $6 trillion this year. mbperrin Jan 2013 #23
You throw numbers around with no sources. What else do you want me to show you? mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #24
Well, Google is your friend. Nonetheless, mbperrin Jan 2013 #25
Not correct. You are annualizing a number that has already been annualized mostlyconfused Jan 2013 #26
That's OK, none of it is real. nt bemildred Dec 2012 #3
So you must think the riots in Greece and Spain are not real either? golfguru Dec 2012 #4
No, I think the interest on the federal debt is not real. bemildred Dec 2012 #7
"No, I think" n/t progree Dec 2012 #9
I have owned US Treasury bonds & US Savings bonds golfguru Dec 2012 #10
It's pointless, I think he just wants attention progree Dec 2012 #11
You are right golfguru Jan 2013 #12
I don't think its dishonesty, just some, umm, cognitive issues. Here's another one: progree Jan 2013 #14
Your argument is circular. bemildred Jan 2013 #13
People don't realize how deep we're in. FlyDaddy145 Jan 2013 #27
And the really smart people.. sendero Feb 2013 #28
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