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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
8. You and I agree on much, but I think we part ways on a couple parts too.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:43 PM
Apr 2012
What it does is prevent a situation where a parent wants to remain tangibly involved in their child's life and cannot because the judge feels empowered to pick, choose and punish.

I think that parents who want to be part of their kids' lives should be able to, as much as is logistically feasible and barring any obvious examples of not being fit for the job.

Breadwinning isn't in our genes

True dat. But it may be in some of our resumes, and not so much in others. Those are facts, too. Parenting couples are teams but not every member of every team is suited exactly the same for every role. The best teams have members who are strong in different areas. It's not reasonable to expect that a stay at home parent who has spent a decade changing diapers suddenly be the one to go out and land the 70K a year job or whatever.

When that family dissolves, the respective partners shouldn't be forced into the preexisting roles.

Again, that depends. Like I said, if one partner has been the one nurturing the career and money making opportunities while the other has been fielding the considerable home duties, it's not reasonable to expect that those roles are going to suddenly reverse. Not in our current job reality.

Not every breadwinner wants that role and certainly would not choose it except as an expression of love for the other partner. Absent that love, it's slavery.

Here's where we diverge, I think. Again, when you make the commitment to not just get married but have children, you are committing to something above and beyond the mere personal gratification or fulfillment that a loving family relationship entails. You are becoming responsible for someone else's life. Parenthood, as Louis CK says, is the only job you can't quit- at least, it should be. If you don't want to be a "slave", don't have kids.





Charles Bruce and debtors prison [View all] lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 OP
What was his income when he was accruing the debt? noamnety Apr 2012 #1
Imputed income is a fascinating topic. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #2
I can talk some about impuded income as it applied to us. noamnety Apr 2012 #3
I'd like to see some unbiased, real data on this case, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #4
Kids aren't a consumer good. One doesn't need "to pay for them", one needs to "parent" them. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #5
Here's my point. Going by the "traditional", Mitt Romney style family arrangement Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #6
The court can't mandate anything. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #7
You and I agree on much, but I think we part ways on a couple parts too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #8
Responsibility for ones kids? Absolutely. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #9
I hear you, Jeff. In my family it was my dad who was the alcoholic. I do suspect that both our Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #14
Fitness based on what though? Whose criteria. There really only is one acceptable one stevenleser Apr 2012 #21
I'd start with who has been providing the majority of care, and then see how the kids feel. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #24
And I think that since the marital union is not an issue any longer, any arrangements made are not stevenleser Apr 2012 #25
You don't think, for instance, that the fact that one parent has spent 10 yrs in the workforce Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #26
No.Let's turn that around. Since one that one parent has spent 10 years in the workforce should they stevenleser Apr 2012 #27
You think I'm advocating for a particular position. I'm not. Nt Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #28
Dennis Rodman and Dave Foley Mammone Apr 2012 #12
Technically, Dave foley owes money in Canada, not the us. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #13
So they should go to jail? Mammone Apr 2012 #15
I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the narrative of "greedy ex... and !kids!" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #16
The courts are the greedy ones Mammone Apr 2012 #17
Judges get a cut of child support that they order? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #18
yes states get kickbacks and do pass on bonuses to judges Mammone Apr 2012 #19
excellent link. Bookmarking. nt lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #20
When your kids live with you half of the time, you are supporting them. Period. nt stevenleser Apr 2012 #22
I think denial of custodial rights should = no child support tech_smythe Apr 2012 #10
I think it should trigger revisiting the custody decision lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #11
a parent who prevents visitations... grasswire May 2012 #30
Unless it's the mother alienating the father... then it's ok tech_smythe May 2012 #31
The whole non-custodial parent is an invented and discriminatory state that is unnecessary stevenleser Apr 2012 #23
Progress is slow when there's a strong financial incentive to keep it the way it is. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #29
Is this Charles Bruce? Cokab16 Jun 2016 #32
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