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ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
9. If patriarchy was a "nefarious penis conspiracy,"
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:16 PM
Feb 2013

I would either like it a lot more, or a lot less. "Nefarious Penis Conspiracy" actually sounds like a really cool band name, in my opinion, and will easily be the best phrase in this thread.

However, patriarchy is supported by both men and women. Broadly, no one gender is at fault, though on some specific issues, such as rape, men are clearly more to blame than women.

Patriarchy has two common meanings, one is a system of rule by males, which we used to have, and the other is rigid gender roles, which are weakening, to my delight. Both of those definitions are overly narrow. If patriarchy just meant, "men suck," then I would consider it fallacious, and I would argue against it. There have been some groups that have used the term that way, but they are not taken seriously by very many.

True, women were seen as academically inferior for a long time, but this has switched, and a rigid, sexist gender role is still present.

That's awful generous of you, however, to "permit" me to think what I want.


You're very welcome.
Yep. This is one of the reasons patriarchy sucks. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #1
I don't see how the stereotype that boys are inferior is attributable to patriarchy. DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #2
A large part of patriarchy is assigned gender roles. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #3
So basically "patriarchy" is a catch-all label to describe anything you don't like. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #5
I have said nothing of the sort, but feel free to believe whatever you can ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #7
And yet, when it was widely assumed that girls were academically inferior, that was "patriarchy",too Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #8
If patriarchy was a "nefarious penis conspiracy," ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #9
If one wants to say "traditional gender roles", one can just say that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #10
Hmmm... ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #11
Everyone should be get at least a cursory grounding in Korzybyski & General Semantics, IMHO Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #13
I don't even think "traditional" is an operative word. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #15
Nefarious Penis Conspiracy opened for The Reverand Horton Heat at the Paradise in Boston in '93 ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #12
Yes, but the flyers around town were epic. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #14
while assuring them that girls and boys are equally academic may help them achieve. seabeyond Feb 2013 #4
I think all kids are different, and respond to different stuff. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #6
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