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lumberjack_jeff

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25. Gun issues

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 02:16 PM

Jul 2012

This is not 1994. We could afford to be supportive of gun control when the economy was good and intrusions onto our civil liberties were relatively trivial. Since 2000, the economy has stagnated, and the intrusions have become obvious, deliberate and scary.

To rural folks, guns are a tangible manifestation of our individual liberties, all of which are under assault.

The greater harm to society is erosion of our liberty in the form of wiretaps, secret surveillance, drones and wholesale data mining than guns.

In 1994, I was very supportive of gun control. Now I'm not; there's no upside.

And yes, Odin's last sentence nailed it.

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How do we get more men to vote for democrats? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 OP

Don't let republicans walk all over us. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #1

I think the current crop of 40+ white suburban males are a lost cause. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2

I think that the 40+ group is a lost cause because we've never heard from an economic populist. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3

Solid libertarian stances on social policy. Anti-censorship, anti-drug war, pro choice in all areas. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #4

In addition: Look at the demographics for Jesse Ventura's win in Minnesota. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #5

Indeed they would.. Upton Feb 2012 #7

I think it depends a bit on the way the idea is promoted. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #8

I got this recurring nightmare that the Republicans drop a platform bomb Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #11

it would be a brilliant tactic, but they hate hippies too much. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #12

But their followers are nearly infintely malleable. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #16

I agree with Warren DeMontague..and I would also add.. Upton Feb 2012 #6

Gun control is widely recognized as a loser issue at the federal level. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #9

Agree about Ed ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #10

Stop acting ashamed of working class men? mistertrickster Feb 2012 #13

I have similar feelings and think I know what you mean, but can you give me some examples? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #14

This article is great. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #17

I'd agree getting Ed types out more front and center SpartanDem Feb 2012 #18

I'm kicking this back up because it's a pressing question. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #19

Kick Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #20

Your foot's been busy today ZenLefty Jun 2012 #21

It's like a twitch, or a spasm Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #22

Odin2005 nailed it for me over here... MicaelS Jul 2012 #23

"Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about...." and this happens all the time, right? Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #24

Actually, you are right, it isn't complicated. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #26

Perception, yes. But the "latte sucking liberal who preaches about how great he is for shopping at Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #27

Goes to my point. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #34

I'm talking about odin's specific quote. He said, "Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #35

I still think you are missing the basic gist of this. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #36

Believe me, I knew plenty of arrogant, condescending rich folks well before Whole Foods even existed Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #37

Love it. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #39

Hysterical. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #41

Excellent video..... Broken_Hero Jul 2012 #45

In many ways, they are in competition. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

I think the wage gap is really the wealth gap. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #43

I agree with this. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #44

Gun issues lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #25

Its just a loser issue, nationally. It doesnt sell. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #28

To be honest, no Democrat in power is pushing control right now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #29

Hearing how men are the problem, men are disposable, etc unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #30

I'm sorry, but that's stupid. Plain stupid. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #31

The alternative to acquiescence is pushback. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #32

There's nothing wrong with pushback ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #33

I've never heard that from anyone except a few isolated, angry internet loons. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #38

+100 lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #42

This cannot be echoed enough. n/t unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #46

What if instead of all that there were a small but vocal group 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #48

Frankly if one side has a vocal, and apparently accepted minority 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49

I think it's a real small minority, loud internet blather to the contrary I don't think they have Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #50

Don't forget Sweden 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #53

Hmm. Some of that stuff, for better or worse, breaks more on cultural/demographic/geographic lines Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #54

It's not all push, it's not all pull. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #55

Stop trying to be an alternative to the TeaPubliKlans and get back to being choice of ideas and ends TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #56

I agree with much of this. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #57