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Response to Tommy2Tone (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:48 PM

5. What does capital-P Progressive even mean?

It seems to be like Fundamentalist Christians. It just means that they get to set the parameters, that what is Progressive (or Fundamental) is whatever they believe. I have been pretty much popping a vein over the idea that economic progressivism is the ONLY parameter to measure, that race, sexual orientation and gender issues are secondary.

And that is flat out not true. This country was founded on a compromise that allowed genocide. We fought a bloody civil war over it, and we are still basically fighting that war today. Racism is not dead. Jim Crow still lives. And don't even get me started on people who want to dictate what I can do with my female body.... But somehow I am not really "Progressive" because I don't genuflect to Bernie Sanders. Actually, I am radical on these issues in comparison to most of them. And on economic issues I am just pragmatic. Pretty socialist right now, actually, because of where we are as a country with the wealth divide. But it is not an ideology with me. Just want what works for the majority of the citizens.

And also that they do not understand that we have been working FOR YEARS on the campaign finance issues and it is the SUPREME COURT that is screwing it up. It has been easy to find Democrats who are willing to pass laws that limit campaign spending, and then the legislation gets overturned by the SUPREME COURT. It is not a centrist vs. progressive issue. Let me say that again. IT IS NOT A CENTRIST VS. PROGRESSIVE ISSUE. ALL Democrats want to limit money in politics and increase voter participation. Because MATH. Dems have an almost unlimited number of potential supporters who don't vote or don't vote consistently. Reps have pretty much maxed their potential voter pool. They are mostly old and white. Demographics are shifting toward a non-white US and their guys are dying off. ALL they have left is money. So nearly ALL Democratic politicians want better campaign finance laws because they like to win, and finance laws help.

In the short term, you need to play the game to win. That means you have to raise the money and appeal to the center. It's an ELECTION. The candidate with the most votes wins. So CENTER is where most of those votes live. Again, very simple MATH.

Once you win, you can start changing the rules. And THAT is where the battle of centrists vs. progressives begins.



Wow that was long.... Clearly I have been saving up Thoughts about this issue. I should do an OP, but I don't have patience right now.

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