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Thu Aug 15, 2013, 07:21 PM

28. They have been buying the Ron Paul, Libertarian, Teabagger kool-aid, themselves:

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The 'Obama and Dems had complete control and did nothing before 2010' myth:

From alp and Tx4obama:


We didn't have a majority in congress for two years - more like TWO MONTHS

The meme that the “Democrats had control of the House and Senate” is a myth and here’s why: people keep forgetting that you need 60 to have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

January 20, 2009 – Edward Kennedy suffered a seizure during Barack Obama's inaugural luncheon, and his health forced him to retreat to Massachusetts. Also, Senator Al Franken of Minnesota had not been seated because the previous Senator, Norm Coleman challenged the election results. So on his inauguration Obama had 57 elected Democratic Senators… 55 Democrats and 2 Independents.

April 28, 2009 – Arlan Specter switches parties from Republican to Democratic. This gives the Democrats 58… 56 seated Democrats, 2 Independents. Al Franken still hasn’t been sworn in and Kennedy is sick. Still no 60 member majority.

May 15, 2009 – Senator Robert Byrd is admitted to the hospital reducing the number of Democratic votes to 57… 55 Democrats, 2 Independents.

July 7, 2009 – Senator Al Franken is sworn in bringing the Democratic votes back up to 58… 56 sitting Democrats, 2 Independents. No Senator Kennedy or Byrd due to illness.

July 21, 2009 – Senator Byrd Returns to the Senate making the count 59 seats – Still no Kennedy.

August 25, 2009 – Senator Kennedy dies and the seat remains vacant (for one full month) until…

September 24, 2009 – Interim Senator Paul Kirk is sworn in to fill Kennedy’s seat bringing the total Democratic votes to a filibuster proof majority of 60.

Remember to subtract the time/weeks (which total over a month) for the Senate's fall recess, Thanksgiving break, Christmas/NewYears break, etc.

February 4, 2010 - Scott Brown (R-MA) is sworn in taking over Senator Kennedy's seat.

So really the Democrats only had a little more than two months (total time when Senate was in session) of a majority in the Senate – not 2 years (even less when you consider that Senator Lieberman sided with the Republicans most of the time). Because they didn’t have a majority, nothing could be automatically pushed through the Senate and concessions had to be made on the healthcare legislation in order for the bill to pass.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021643154#post3

That is something most of us remember as we kept up with all of those elections, very concerned about majority to get Obama's agenda through. It's also why I consider such comments either ignorant as they didn't pay attention, or dishonest.

After reading repeat versions of this with no response to facts but seeing the same posters go to other threads to spread the same, I quit wasting my time.

The 'Obama, corporate lackey' myth:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022832448

This being spread about the man who immediately went after corporations who were hiding their asserts over seas to hysterical attacks in media for doing so; declared energy corporations should not be subsidized and signed every alternative energy bill he was able to get; brought Elizabeth Warren to serve as head of an agency to protect citizens from corporate tyranny; and on and on.

Also to hear this about a man who spoke against Citizens United immediately, but knowing the law said it required a grassroots movement to make a Constitutional amendment, which is done at the state level and not the federal, as Congress can only write a motion but not make it happen; and has repeatedly tried to raise corporate taxes by any means he could, including fighting the Tea Party who refused to allow the sunsetting of the Bush Tax Cuts to take place, with a complicit media calling it a Tax Hike. It was passed when the GOP controlled all three branches of government, not under Obama. It was part of his recovery plan to make the more wealthy pay more. He's reiterated and proposed it at every SOTU and all of the campaigns he's been on; but he can't do it alone.

Some have picked names out of the news and declared him a stooge of corporations for when there is a reason to talk to banks and corporations, one of them being the billions of dollars lost in the last GOP shut down of the government. Obama walked from the White House to talk to the Federal Reserve to stop it from happening again and it was said that he was cozying up with the evil (passed by a law of Congress, yet evil) Federal Reserve. Eliminating it is a Pauliban meme, they want it gone so there is no control of the private banks at all meaning deregulation, not prosecution, so the irony is thick with that one. It's also been the Koch agenda since 1980, how very liberating.

Yes, the bankers are the ones who told the GOP to STFU and not pull that stunt again, or else they'd pay dearly for it in ways that most of us likely don't comprehend. And some don't know FDR's famous 'I welcome their hatred' speech was spoken before he knew the Axis might actually win WW2 and had to go to those same people to create the big production assembly lines to defeat the Nazis. The Allies were suffering greatly both with lives and financially in comparison with the Axis, who in comparison, lost only a fraction. That great effort was what framed our present world like it or not. Else we would have been nothing more than slaves to the Reich. No one should doubt what we faced in those days.

It was by sheer numbers that this was done and the Allies with American production won the war as our part of the alliances we had. I'll not that FDR did employ private firms to do New Deal government work, it wasn't all a socialist utopia of all working for the government. Did that make his administration's work to create a social democracy null and void, or did it work?

Regarding that mean old Obama and leaks:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022862201

I could go on about it, but that's just a few hints.

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