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Response to Jamaal510 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:15 AM

16. Because they have confused libertarianism with liberalism. The LP and Paulies are using that tack.

For them, liberalism in all its forms is anathema and the Democratic Party and Obama in particular are the greatest obstacle to their taking control of this country.



Does a liberal, as most of the self-proclaimed uber lefties, ignore women, minority and voting rights?

You will never hear a peep on that. Examples of core differences follow and why anyone who claims they are liberal and PBO is not are not being honest. When they claim that Libertarians like Rand, Greenwald and Snowden are the real Liberals, ask them these questions, and you will have your answer:

Is taking down the federal government, not paying taxes, following the Tenther Movement and 2nd Amendment Solution crowd a liberal value?

I say no, we believe in working in government to stop oppressive actions and we believe in paying for it, and do not believe in States Rights or the Tenther Movement that would deny human rights accrding to the whims of regressive state legislatures who don't believe in the supremacy of the US Constituion over their local laws. We hold that the government of the USA is what we make it and made to serve all of us equally, no matter what the powerful say it should. We do not want to see our nation devolved into fifty different fiefdoms run by the richest, establishing conditions better suited to the plantation system.

Is getting rid of all the New Deal programs, a liberal value?

And except to complain, do such ever really want to work to keep the social safety net, help for the poor, elderly and sick; do or do they want the end of the public schools, parks, hospitals, healthcare, the regulation of banks and businesses; are ending the rights of labor like child labor, sweat shops, and a minimum wage; standing by while the rights of women, minortiies and emigrants are attacked a liberal value?


No, destroying those are clearly libertarian values.

Is constantly attacking the Democratic Party and its officials, demeaning those who work for change by using it as a platform, but ignoring the Republican obsructionism and blatant theft of rights across this country, even of freedom of the body and mind, and saying that voting does no good, the government is a complete evil to be eliminated, that both parties are the same, and every public service from the police and fire department, postal service are all out to steal freedom and kill us. that schools are there to indoctrinate us, are those liberal values?

I say, no, they are all the values of the Libertarian, JBS, and Tea Party. If these people claiming they are the true liberals, they have decided that liberal means liberty and libertarianism and the kind of liberalism of the Democratic Party is a scam. I assure you, it is not a scam nor is it dead.

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