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socialist_n_TN

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33. From the League on Greece...........
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.workerspower.net/euro-blackmail-pulls-off-narrow-victory-for-the-greek-right-but-it-can-be-overthrown-by-mass-workers-action

It's not that Syriza is revolutionary, it's that Syriza has the POTENTIAL to be revolutionary AND has the largest support base on the left in Greece. KKE, Antarzyia and even the left of PASOK hold the anti-austerity majority along with Syriza. A coalition against austerity could push Greece into socialist revolution.

Left parties are influenced by parties FARTHER to the left than they are. If KKE IS farther to the left than Syriza, a united front with Syriza could hold Syriza accountable. And it could also help the revolutionary parts of Syrizia to set up worker's councils, factory and workplace occupations and the restarting of closed factories and workplaces under worker's control and the arming of worker's militias. IOW, it could further the revolutionary agenda by following the fundamental Bolshevik model for setting up a dual power dynamic. This dual power setup is the next step in revolutionary politics. We would then see who the majority of the people of Greece followed. Would they follow the cobbled together government of austerity (cobbled together with the assistance of 50 extra parliamentary seats because of election rules) or the worker's councils?
Greek election thread. [View all] Starry Messenger Jun 2012 OP
considering that it's impossible to borrow your way out of debt BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #1
I have a hard time thinking outside the two-party system. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #3
all i'm saying is, in my humble opinion, BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #5
Gotcha. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #6
nazis got 7% of the vote? BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #7
I wonder how high they'd get if we had a Nazi party here? Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #8
Isn't that less than they got in the May elections? socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #10
i thought they got 4% in the may elections BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #11
Yeah, that's MUCH less for the KKE than they got a month ago......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #12
what happens if they call a general strike BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #16
Agreed. It might not be time for the indefinite general strike....... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #22
i bet a lot of communist parties get stuck in that middle ground BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #28
From the League on Greece........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #33
I wonder about that too. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #14
I'm not sure either. white_wolf Jun 2012 #2
You'd think the Greeks would have enough evidence of the limitations by now Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #4
I like BOG's perspective on this.......... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #9
Oh, that is an interesting development. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #13
If Greece goes does have a revolution, I could see some of the leftist Latin American states... white_wolf Jun 2012 #15
Exactly. That's a hell of a commute. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #18
Sadly I'd be surprised if this doesn't end up in revolution TBF Jun 2012 #17
Well, the way things are going, all the other parties are going to be pretty discredited. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #19
I think about it the opposite way - TBF Jun 2012 #20
Same here. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #21
I don't think the capitalists are ready to throw in with the fascists........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #23
Aren't the fascists normally the last resort for the capitalists? white_wolf Jun 2012 #24
Makes sense - and sadly I think they are close to that point. TBF Jun 2012 #25
That is a topic I would like to know more about too. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #26
Well if you haven't checked it out yet, I think the reading list has something by Trotsky on Facism. white_wolf Jun 2012 #27
Right, the class basis of the petty boug. makes them reactionary. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #29
fwiw BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #30
That seems fairy accurate. Though it does raise a question I've been wondering about... white_wolf Jun 2012 #31
i am inclined to agree w/ you. if they didn't self-identify as fascist BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #32
That's the way I've always read it too............. socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #34
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