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7. That was the part that got me. The system he claims works best killed his mother.
Fri Jan 25, 2013, 08:21 PM
Jan 2013

The pharmacist who provided the diluted medication did so for his own profit. In a Libertarian utopia, they should have chosen a better a pharmacist.

It is sort of a moot point, either way. Eventually Libertarians have to give up on their childish fantasies. Taken to the logical place, somewhere, somehow, the government needs to be involved.

Do we need a pharmacy board to decide if a person should have the ability to dispense medications? Not in the libertarian world. It is the individual who should ensure the pharmacy is practicing good medicine.

Do we need an FDA to approve drugs? No. Again, in their utopia, we let the free market decide if the drug is efficacious.

Do we need any kind of inspections to insure the pharmacy isn't just getting bottled water? No. Here again, the free market should decide which manufacturer can be trusted.

Do we need a doctor or nurse who is licensed by the government to prescribe or administer the drug? No. You should have make sure your doctor went to college and he is qualified.

In their ideal, by the time you do all the research needed to determine if your doctor is qualified to treat you, your nurse is qualified, done a background check on the pharmacist, visited the factory to make sure they are producing what sterile and real product, checking the delivery systems that move the product from factory to hospital or pharmacy, go around to everyone who has had the drug to make sure it hasn't killed more people than helped because there is no government reporting agency for adverse effects....you are dead.

I could spend paragraphs on trying to unravel how many places one must rely on something other than the free market to get a drug from inception to patient, but according to libertarians we don't need any of that?

Even so, because of the profit motive, his mother is dead. Praise free market capitalism! And since no agency should exist in their world to investigate the matter, she becomes a review on Angie's List of that particular doctor/nurse/drug manufacturer, etc for everyone else to check when their turn comes around for a health care need.

No matter how you slice it, the libertarian ideal falls apart under scrutiny because at some point, any sane person wants some kind of government involvement in health care.

Perfect example of a Libertarian. Marr Jan 2013 #1
YES, CORRECT SIR drynberg Jan 2013 #16
agreed samsingh Jan 2013 #2
Thanks, thom, for airing this...and pointing out that health care should be a right. nt antigop Jan 2013 #3
Had to pause at about the 8:26 mark ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #4
That was the part that got me. The system he claims works best killed his mother. Liberal Veteran Jan 2013 #7
I was thinking that too-- wasn't the pharmacist trying to make a better profit? NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #14
These young smart guys ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #25
The young smart ass must be a Randite. I got mine, get your own. lumpy Jan 2013 #19
Did that young idiot... jjewell Jan 2013 #5
If you cannot afford a doctor.... ErikJ Jan 2013 #6
This could have been much more productive without the yelling. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #8
Let's Just Briefly Follow This Libertarian's Logic... miamipilot Jan 2013 #9
yes, it's really such an infantile and nonsensical philosophy NoMoreWarNow Jan 2013 #15
What a supreme asshole! Disgusting!!! AAO Jan 2013 #10
!!!!!!! ErikJ Jan 2013 #20
This Guy Stone-Walled Thom supercats Jan 2013 #11
Thom, why do you bother? This piker isn't even willing to engage in honest debate and ... Scuba Jan 2013 #12
All boils down to how we perceive The Individual vs. Society.... Junkdrawer Jan 2013 #13
Thom shouldn't invite this guest back on. He doesn't dialog. He just shouts his crazy ideas. Overseas Jan 2013 #17
THom should hire an interviewer to "debate" with ErikJ Jan 2013 #21
Maybe. But this way does show how very few of them are ready to engage in real debate. Overseas Jan 2013 #23
This guy is as good as any of them. immoderate Jan 2013 #26
Thom should have shut down that conversation about 2 minutes in.... truth2power Jan 2013 #18
one of my favorite posts... 02potato Jan 2013 #22
It is a good one. CEO care above patient care. Overseas Jan 2013 #24
Is it wrong for me to hope that guy gets a terrible illness? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #27
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #28
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