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Martin Eden

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121. That's part of it, but in Hillary's case I think the 2 bigger parts were ...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

1) The political calculation it was better for her political career in the post-9/11 environment to be a hawk.
2) She really is a hawk and was on board with the neocon agenda, even though she had to know the case for war was bogus (I don't think she's that stupid).

K & R +10000 phazed0 Mar 2016 #1
Collusion With Bush Family My #1 Reason billhicks76 Mar 2016 #119
they never expected such a fuck up and when you helped kill that many people roguevalley Mar 2016 #134
Kissinger said he supported the Iraq war because "we need to humiliate them" Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #152
Powerful. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #2
Very. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #182
Those links say it all choie Mar 2016 #3
Just sad... is this really the best we got?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #183
regardless of what she said the u.s. was still going into iraq saturnsring Mar 2016 #4
So? choie Mar 2016 #8
her iwr vote didnt matter cause they were going anyway - maybe her constituents wanted her saturnsring Mar 2016 #82
How come most of us choie Mar 2016 #111
+++++++++++++++++ pangaia Mar 2016 #128
her vote counted. it counts to the living and dead. period roguevalley Mar 2016 #135
Whooop!... there it is!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #184
You condone murder with that argument. lob1 Mar 2016 #150
I was one of her constituents and did not ask her to vote for the war. eilen Mar 2016 #170
BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #174
So was I. I knew what was up. Why didn't she know? pangaia Mar 2016 #185
Choie -- Your word choice is so much like that of Bernie Sanders. I saw his picture in your message, Akamai Mar 2016 #100
Akamai, I take that as a huge compliment choie Mar 2016 #139
And you should! Bernie has the straight talk to critical issues! Straight on! No time spent in Akamai Mar 2016 #163
And she was part of the enabling of the worst blunder is US History. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #72
yea and if she said no, iraq wouldnt have been invaded amiright? saturnsring Mar 2016 #80
Not the point. OwlinAZ Mar 2016 #131
Irrelevant. The point is about Hillary. She made another turd in that crap necklace she has wear FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #132
The larger point is Hillary now thinks she wants to be our President. -none Mar 2016 #179
Did you see her gushing about business opportunities in Iraq?3 noiretextatique Mar 2016 #192
And it was also the worst political blunder in her life. It cost her the election in 2008. ladjf Mar 2016 #146
"Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything, and change nothing. It’s time to turn the page. ... FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #180
Her record of that type of behavior is vast and can't be expunged. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #181
My friend was likely to die of a heroin overdose anyway ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #110
well put Baobab Mar 2016 #118
That's part of it, but in Hillary's case I think the 2 bigger parts were ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #121
Only Two Things Happen During Every Single War... chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #136
regardless of what she said the u.s. was still going into iraq AlbertCat Mar 2016 #123
Or your general election vote in a Deep Blue state. But that disrupts the narrative ;) JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #156
Actually that is a great point. So she could have opposed it and made us proud, but she didn't. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #154
She was running for President then. She is now. That's all that matters leveymg Mar 2016 #169
everyone's just so ungrateful to her--whether they're mourning the eggs she broke MisterP Mar 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #10
Yeah, wow. That Libyan and Iraqi Freedom... that worked out well. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #12
Hillary supporters don't care about this stuff. cpwm17 Mar 2016 #6
I agree. SamKnause Mar 2016 #7
Don't you get it!? She's vaguely awesome! Gene Debs Mar 2016 #14
She's vaguely awesome! AlbertCat Mar 2016 #124
You are wrong. But, it does not matter. It is so much more fun for you all to caricature seabeyond Mar 2016 #15
But it does matter.. phazed0 Mar 2016 #137
Sanders is selling a con and it is being bought. Sanders would be jumping into war and seabeyond Mar 2016 #141
I want quotes from Bernie and links to your research showing exactly HOW you PROVE that Hiraeth Mar 2016 #153
It is, those folks should educated themselves on his votes, but... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #168
wtf eShirl Mar 2016 #171
all they care is what Sex is going to the whitehouse PatrynXX Mar 2016 #17
For some.. a first woman president.. not all, of course.. pangaia Mar 2016 #65
I too would like to see a woman president. SamKnause Mar 2016 #66
I want the first woman President to be competent and ethical greymouse Mar 2016 #76
I want the first woman president to have good judgment and morals. SamKnause Mar 2016 #81
And for WAY too many... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #125
Right, that. pangaia Mar 2016 #126
Results LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #89
Thank you. cpwm17 Mar 2016 #104
I cared a hell of a lot more about Iraqis than the last "progressive" hero. NNadir Mar 2016 #99
It appears to me that the Hillary supporters avoid all thought about anything ladjf Mar 2016 #147
they sure as hell run away from anything like this that shows how terrible her decisions are Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #149
Naw ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #178
+1000. Sickening. closeupready Mar 2016 #188
It doesn't matter zeemike Mar 2016 #9
Then they would presumably have been just as happy with Carly Fiorina. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #16
Only if Carly had a (D) by her name. -none Mar 2016 #189
I actually think having a woman president would be good for society mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #29
Hillary if elected President would probably guarantee A Simple Game Mar 2016 #70
Me too. zeemike Mar 2016 #97
Agreed mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #105
You lost me. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #11
how should I know. Cheney thinks Hillary is great PatrynXX Mar 2016 #18
And the NRA has helped Bernie out in a pinch. pnwmom Mar 2016 #21
something like that... PatrynXX Mar 2016 #25
This is the second time you've made me smile today! Good job! eom Duval Mar 2016 #63
Did they hold a fund raiser for him. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #35
No, and the NRA didn't hold one for Hillary either. pnwmom Mar 2016 #49
Wow. Hopeless billhicks76 Mar 2016 #41
This is why fringy extremism always loses. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #47
End of story my ass -she freakin voted for it - she owns it! choie Mar 2016 #52
I won't waste my time explaining what she voted for again! yallerdawg Mar 2016 #58
and the explanations have been choie Mar 2016 #61
Bearing in mind that, as EVERY lawyer learns in law school in first year, merrily Mar 2016 #133
So did John Kerry & I'm betting you voted for him whathehell Mar 2016 #172
Blaming this war on Hillary is nuts! AlbertCat Mar 2016 #130
bernie has lots of blood on his hands but his votes for killing are good. thanks nt msongs Mar 2016 #13
What votes are that? zalinda Mar 2016 #20
Oh, and he made sure that the vets zalinda Mar 2016 #27
you mean the ones you can't identify or that are gross/dishonest false equivalencies? stupidicus Mar 2016 #87
Please Hillary, forget my birthday. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #19
Hillary: The Goldwater Girl "progressive" who may put an effing Republican on the ticket zebonaut Mar 2016 #22
i doubt that but continue attacking Hillary for something that is 50 years old MariaThinks Mar 2016 #24
letting a repuglican in the white house will create more death like you're exposing in iraq MariaThinks Mar 2016 #23
More Democrats in Florida voted for Bush, than voted for Nader, blame them. eom zalinda Mar 2016 #28
Get off the Nader crap. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #31
Hillary's vote wouldn't change the outcome? abelenkpe Mar 2016 #32
Ridiculous billhicks76 Mar 2016 #39
That's why I won't vote for Hillary. I don't want another republican Lorien Mar 2016 #46
Um... I think you may be utterly misevaluating the likely future. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #120
Bummer that her lack of LEADERSHIP didn't slow it down. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #122
Nader? Phlem Mar 2016 #160
What I don't understand Thespian2 Mar 2016 #26
What I don't understand is your definition of "thoughtful human being." missingthebigdog Mar 2016 #78
Really? chervilant Mar 2016 #96
astonishing... Thespian2 Mar 2016 #115
logical reasoning Thespian2 Mar 2016 #114
But but but she's adefender of women and children! peacebird Mar 2016 #30
Or the Honduras Kalidurga Mar 2016 #37
Or on welfare in the USA.... peacebird Mar 2016 #40
Yep Kalidurga Mar 2016 #42
Or other living things. -none Mar 2016 #190
And here I thought Bush and Cheney were responsible for the war with Iraq. Silly me! LonePirate Mar 2016 #33
Take Responsibility billhicks76 Mar 2016 #36
Did Bush and Cheney put those words in her mouth? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #44
Pres candidates talking about freedom and diplomats advocating for U.S. businesses is de rigeuer. LonePirate Mar 2016 #50
Do you agree with this? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #53
Do you have any idea who Saddam Hussein was? yallerdawg Mar 2016 #84
Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator that ruled with an iron fist. OldArtilleryMan Mar 2016 #140
most americans are ignorant of history, even recent PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #167
I recognize that it is standard political propaganda which I ignore and then move on. LonePirate Mar 2016 #85
Your sarcasm is neither amusing chervilant Mar 2016 #91
So my vote for Bernie this past month makes me a Hillary supporter? LonePirate Mar 2016 #94
Irrational hate? chervilant Mar 2016 #98
When the Hillary hatred has reached a fevered pitch like among some people, it is indeed irrational. LonePirate Mar 2016 #102
I do not hate Hi11ary. chervilant Mar 2016 #107
bush, Cheney and everyone who voted for it n/t PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #166
Omg. The Look Of Death. Something Not Right billhicks76 Mar 2016 #34
Yea, that's about as tone deaf as you can get Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #38
I'll be shocked if this doesn't get flagged and voted down lastone Mar 2016 #43
K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #45
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #48
Jesus, the horror. desmiller Mar 2016 #51
source for image Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #59
She's creepy as f*ck Lorien Mar 2016 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author gordyfl Mar 2016 #161
Are we being punished for chapdrum Mar 2016 #54
The beatings will continue until attitudes improve. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #155
We've known all along that the war was a "business opportunity" for Americans Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #55
I am a Vietnam veteran. I believe we all did terrible things in that war. upaloopa Mar 2016 #56
This isn't just about the vote. It is about disgusting and offensive comments and general attitude Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #62
Agreed. chapdrum Mar 2016 #75
And her influence was and is nauseating. Duval Mar 2016 #57
Do Hillary supporters ever read these posts, especially sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #60
I don't understand how anyone tries to defend this. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #64
They evidently don't read these posts chapdrum Mar 2016 #68
Looking at the pics of the children with horrendous birth defects because of the contents of the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #67
So much noise. Cary Mar 2016 #69
I heartily agree Carolina Mar 2016 #71
News Flash: Hillary to blame for Everything teh GOP has done Cryptoad Mar 2016 #73
Better yet, Hillary should chapdrum Mar 2016 #79
Those that want to Trash Cryptoad Mar 2016 #83
Hear, hear! nt SylviaD Mar 2016 #176
My #1 reason is she laughs at people dying. greymouse Mar 2016 #74
this makes sense too. nt Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #93
I have never once seen a Hillary supporter address that video. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #159
It's bigger than any candidate Babel_17 Mar 2016 #77
it's amazing how much support a neocon has found in the dem party stupidicus Mar 2016 #86
K, R. and . . . sus453 Mar 2016 #88
Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Mar 2016 #90
meanwhile we allow 90 major universities continue to support 260 certainot Mar 2016 #92
Change Freedom to Anarchy she'd be right. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #95
HA! :-D It's not working. Time's running out. Tick-tock! :-P NurseJackie Mar 2016 #101
1) What's wrong with you? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #106
Up is down, right is left, tyranny is freedom nichomachus Mar 2016 #103
I would expect those words from Bush. ozone_man Mar 2016 #108
reason #353 why I support Hillary Cryptoad Mar 2016 #109
Do the work like reading all the reports that showed invading Iraq was stupid? Perogie Mar 2016 #164
K&R.. KoKo Mar 2016 #112
We shall not be forgiven. What ever caused the military to jwirr Mar 2016 #113
How cold and arrogant. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #116
Wow. That's... wow. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #117
She makes me sick. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #127
She really thinks like that. fbc Mar 2016 #129
Which one was #1? liberal N proud Mar 2016 #138
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000! n.t. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #143
She said that in 2008?!?!?! cui bono Mar 2016 #144
That statement by Clinton is a borderline psycho thought. It is an extreme case of ladjf Mar 2016 #145
yeah, even with all the lying, the pandering, the Wall St. connections, this is the deal breaker... EndElectoral Mar 2016 #148
But her pluckiness means it's all worthwhile. whereisjustice Mar 2016 #151
Some hard truths here. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #157
This is the neo liberal establishment mindset. We gave you freedom .. you owe us. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #158
So we offer up blood sacrifices to,....who again? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #162
Not JUST the one toward Iraq. But agreed: this one is pretty bad. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #165
I am sure MIC bribes Promethean Mar 2016 #173
I File this Under - "Who Cares?" Gamecock Lefty Mar 2016 #175
bush lied to her and all of us. artyteacher Mar 2016 #177
On a bus to DC to protest chervilant Mar 2016 #186
I'm just not cut out to be a Kissinger Democrat. nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #187
My neighbors are Iraqi refugees. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #191
Yes! sammythecat Mar 2016 #193
welcome D. Trump to the White House.... Bill USA Mar 2016 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2016 #195
She's an authoritarian sociopath. dchill Mar 2016 #196
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