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DaveT

(687 posts)
16. What are they thinking?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:36 AM
Dec 2015

Simple -- how do we beat Sanders?

You spend your career in politics and you believe in your heart that fund raising is the only significant determiner. It all flows from that.

Two generations ago, you could get elected to Congress without needing to raise more than $50,000. Now it takes millions.

Sanders is putting forward the idea that the person-to-person campaigning that defined Democratic politics from the New Deal through 1964 can be revived. These people are -- for the most part -- sincere in believing that to be naïve. Human nature then leads them to try to prove it is naïve, by using any means necessary to keep Sanders from winning.

Not coincidentally, when fundraising supplanted retail politics in the late 1960s, the shift of the entire spectrum toward the right began.


Sanders' campaign can only work if there are lots of people who are sincerely pissed off. The wars and recession that have seriously affect people's lives are what drive the Sanders movement. Professional politicians and their functionaries have not had their lives affected by that -- and all their "professional" experience tells them the only way to win is raise big money.


The real dispute between the two candidates is whether times have changed since the 1990s. Of course they have, but these people don't believe it -- and damned sure do not understand it. You can see it in Debbie's contempt for Sanders. She really believes that she knows better.

Just like Hillary, her day is passed. She does not realize that she is the one living in the past.

It begins. And if Hillary wins and it is anywhere near close the progressive media will not let it newthinking Dec 2015 #1
Suspend access of ALL CAMPAIGNS until your vendor gets its act together. peacebird Dec 2015 #2
yeah that would have been the thing to do PatrynXX Dec 2015 #4
Hmmm, What ? orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #20
Why did I get an email from the Clinton Campaign to my private email account yesterday? DhhD Dec 2015 #21
Many reporting the same thing, starting in October. Divernan Dec 2015 #24
Somewhere you agreed to share information about yourself with others thebighobgoblin Dec 2015 #35
Hey kiddo! Take your conspiracy name calling Divernan Dec 2015 #36
I'm just pointing out someone got your info legitimately, even if you didn't consent to it knowingly thebighobgoblin Dec 2015 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #26
K&R..... daleanime Dec 2015 #3
As an IT Officer: How would you like your banking data exposed to others? DNC/Vendor=Screwups! nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2015 #30
Good point that if it were reversed would DWS suspend Hillary's access to her OWN data? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #5
They're right about everything here. rusty quoin Dec 2015 #6
I was already pissed off. Now I'm clear off the charts pissed off. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #23
Then they shouldn't complain if they get a Bush / Cheney administration on steroids thebighobgoblin Dec 2015 #34
Maybe YOU should consider what is at stake. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #39
You'll get a republican that will try to eliminate social security, eliminate Obamacare, cut taxes.. thebighobgoblin Dec 2015 #41
Your preaching to the choir on this one. How many millennials will go out and vote? YOHABLO Dec 2015 #42
I am exploring what remedies are available to us... Kalidurga Dec 2015 #7
The DNC is a tool of the wealty 1%. The People will fight to the end and prevail over rhett o rick Dec 2015 #8
Fuck her and the cake she rode in on. BlueJazz Dec 2015 #9
two words.. yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #10
I can't imagine Plucketeer Dec 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Dec 2015 #12
GOP debates have 3 times the viewership. They have already won this election zebonaut Dec 2015 #13
Well, Deb did try to book Christmas Eve, but it was taken. Divernan Dec 2015 #25
I have no trust for the DNC. Have seen only control. oldandhappy Dec 2015 #14
She was appointed by Obama. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #22
Thank you, sigh. oldandhappy Dec 2015 #33
She's probably vying for a WH position .. hmm Chief of Staff maybe? YOHABLO Dec 2015 #43
Howard Dean zentrum Dec 2015 #15
What are they thinking? DaveT Dec 2015 #16
I kept expecting DWS to turn into a bat and fly away. jalan48 Dec 2015 #17
But bats serve a purpose ybbor Dec 2015 #18
I was thinking more the vampire variety. jalan48 Dec 2015 #28
Yes ... ybbor Dec 2015 #29
It's a last ditch effort to Hide her Sycophancy, A Ploy as always, Chess and nothing more . Bernie orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #19
What a tool.... paleotn Dec 2015 #27
Systematic! Learn the meaning of that, DWS. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #31
"You know what that is Debbie, that's systematic." Babel_17 Dec 2015 #32
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #38
Please, someone tell me that the DNC is making my data with them safe Babel_17 Dec 2015 #40
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