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redqueen

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17. Yeah, it's very much not just a job.

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:06 PM

Apr 2012

If we first destroyed the patriarchy, and stopped pandering to men's sexual tastes first and foremost, and didn't have men pressuring women to behave and dress and communicate a certain way... maybe after a few decades of that, we could try the porn experiment again... from within a framework that wasn't set up to cater to the dominant group's dictates and desires. (And if anyone is getting ready to tell me what women like, save it... women grow up internalizing the patriarchy's values, we don't know what women want and we won't until we stop indoctrinating them to see themselves through the male gaze.)

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Chris Hedges on Pornography, discussing Empire of Illusion on BookTV [View all] redqueen Apr 2012 OP

chomsky, hedges, we on the left CHEER, except when talking porn seabeyond Apr 2012 #1

+1. So does mine. freshwest Apr 2012 #4

i got to listen to my husband talk to our 14 yr old son seabeyond Apr 2012 #5

They should learn the real story behind the 'star' of 'Deep Throat.' freshwest Apr 2012 #6

thank you. you saved me time.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #8

A lot of people watching porn are watching women being raped. redqueen Apr 2012 #21

So are you saying ALL women in porn are being 'raped'? DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #32

Read more carefully. redqueen Apr 2012 #36

But you can't back up that claim. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #37

I suggest you do more research. redqueen Apr 2012 #39

"extremely popular and getting more popular by the day. The most popular kind is..." Data, please. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #41

Those statements arw based on what.porn producers say. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #45

They are? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #47

That's not a fact, that's your perception which is heavily colored by your biased supposition. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #87

I dont think you've seen any actual porn, I think you're hearing about it from anti-porn "activists" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #40

Why the.focus on me? redqueen Apr 2012 #42

Because you're making all sorts of statements about how people in porn feel, how they can't Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #44

You're obviously not reading my posts. I'm done wasting my time. Chomsky is anti porn. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #46

Chomsky also has some bass-ackwards ideas about Israel. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #48

Actually, Chomsky is 100% on the money when it comes to Israel. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #89

Not to steer this train off into I/P land, that's not the view espoused by Chomsky I meant. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #94

The definition of time wasting is trying to do battle w/ things like heterosexual penetrative sex Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #74

Sasha Grey: "Here's a woman who's intelligent, cognizant and making her own choices" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #79

Obviously, she got brainwashed by The Patriarchy to say those things... DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #88

I'm sure Hedges, the amateur mental health diagnostician, would say she has a case of "PTSD" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #93

Yeah, it's funny how easy it is for most people to just ignore these particular kinds of abusive. redqueen Apr 2012 #14

Wait no... no, it isn't. It's just sad. seabeyond Apr 2012 #22

It'd be more sad if you realized that for all the people who admit to looking at porn Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #72

I don't know one single person whom I agree with 100% of the time. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #31

thank you for posting this KT2000 Apr 2012 #2

Eventually it has to be recognized. redqueen Apr 2012 #15

I know. Morally damaged and soul sick women exploited by planned parenthood Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #97

Amen. I get so weary of leftist males ever comprehending this. zazen Apr 2012 #3

It's sad to think how many people had their first experience with porn as children. redqueen Apr 2012 #16

Yes, sort of how I get weepy over the rampant flimhatzerry with the snarfwaddles Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #51

If you bother attempting to engage with me and dare to think redqueen Apr 2012 #63

Well, I asked you a straightforward question: does "the patriarchy" encompass all or most Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #68

That sounds an awful lot like holding rap music and video games responsible for juvenile delinquency DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #90

If, like you say, most men AND women on the left disagree with you, maybe you're in the wrong. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #33

Apparently, some women will never be happy until they are in charge of how CONSENTING ADULTS Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #49

Andrea Dworkin was mentally ill and could have benefited from anti-psychotic meds. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #96

Source for your allegations about Andrea Dworkin? nt redqueen Apr 2012 #98

Right after you source with statistical data your claims on what is "the most popular kind of porn" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #99

This isn't Feminism 101, and the info re: porn is easily searchable. redqueen Apr 2012 #100

You got nothing. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #101

You didnt google. Of course. redqueen Apr 2012 #102

Upthread you've asserted your right to ignore my questions. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #103

I'm sorry, but that's not the way a debate works. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #105

Most people project their fantasies on the porn industry instead of looking at it as it is... saras Apr 2012 #7

how am i suppose to get turned on watching a girl fearful, screaming, being gang raped seabeyond Apr 2012 #9

However, my dear, don't you see that your life experiences have turned you into a prude? freshwest Apr 2012 #11

So you think rock and roll needs more censorship? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #78

Seabeyond, I see Warren is going to answer for you. Myself, I like R &R: freshwest Apr 2012 #81

Not real big on Aerosmith, myself. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #82

here is mine.... seabeyond Apr 2012 #84

Best version and shows the dehumanization men go through, like that photo display thread. freshwest Apr 2012 #85

You didnt know that "Janie's got a gun" is about child abuse? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #86

'Fearful and screaming'? Then you've been watching the wrong kind of porn. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #34

This is why so many 2nd wavers have trouble with gay men, transpeople, the BDSM community Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #76

Yeah, it's very much not just a job. redqueen Apr 2012 #17

Sort of like how a free market is possible in a Communist utopia... after Capitalism is destroyed. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #53

Let me ask you something. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #58

Thank you for posting this. (nt) enough Apr 2012 #10

It is my pleasure. redqueen Apr 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #77

I'm very impressed with what Hedges says here. And that he agrees with the right. At times women, freshwest Apr 2012 #12

Yes, the left likes to pretend that they have it all over the right where women are concerned. redqueen Apr 2012 #19

I'm sure many progressive women were deeply disappointed that Rick Santorum dropped out. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #61

Group sex among adolescents a public health concern, new study says seabeyond Apr 2012 #23

People are always concerned about adolescents having sex, b/c its something they never used to do Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #43

yes, i can see you would reduce that article to teenagers simply having sex seabeyond Apr 2012 #50

Teens have sex, teens have always had sex. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #52

again, so you just ignore what the article is saying, or you dont read about girls pressured/forced seabeyond Apr 2012 #54

Ignoring things and steering discussions off track... redqueen Apr 2012 #55

You brought up Chomsky, as if he's infallible. He's not. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #56

No, you implied Hedges was conservative/GOP redqueen Apr 2012 #57

He's been actively arguing against the democratic party for the past several years Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #59

no. many many are not consulting adults but defenders like to ignore that fact, too. seabeyond Apr 2012 #65

Authoritative data as per a video on YouTube made by an anti porn group. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #67

happy little bow to make it all pretty. i get it. nt seabeyond Apr 2012 #70

I'm sure it's very frustrating Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #73

So the producers of that video, are they affiliated with the Christian right perchance? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #69

How does one video with anecdotal evidence prove that "many" are not consenting? DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #92

And we've gone through this. The fact that consent forms are signed and age verification is done Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #95

I'm all for debating things that are wrong within the porn industry, as I'm sure there are many... DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #104

Agreed. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #106

yes... cannot handle reality to justify wants. better to pretend the happy hooker to salve the ego seabeyond Apr 2012 #64

The level of denial is depressing. nt redqueen Apr 2012 #66

I know. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #71

The study mentions pornography and child abuse in relation to group sex. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #91

So, he is only half right... physioex Apr 2012 #13

Yes, the most important thing about this industry to politicians is the money. redqueen Apr 2012 #20

And what should be "done about it", then? Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #75

Link to what Chris Hedges wrote: freshwest Apr 2012 #24

how can you say porn is degrading to women seabeyond Apr 2012 #25

manwin. man win. seabeyond Apr 2012 #26

From your link. But you'll only hear the sound of crickets: freshwest Apr 2012 #27

If only it was shocking, how consistently this is ignored. redqueen Apr 2012 #28

No other group besides women has so thoroughly internalized their own oppression. seabeyond Apr 2012 #29

It's the damn snitzwaffles Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #60

Actually, it's the other way around. DutchLiberal Apr 2012 #35

This deserves a kick. redqueen Apr 2012 #30

One thing about porn, it's an excellent way for some people to waste time. Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #38

Despite an utter lack of any data whatsoever, anecdotally there sure seems to be a problem Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #62

Thx for posting. nt ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2012 #80

Chris Hedges: "I Stand With The Right Wing" Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #83