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AtheistCrusader

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3. Graham is a piece of shit, and is not a good advocate for his position.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:22 PM
Feb 2013

Because his position is ACTUALLY to stonewall and prevent any/all attempts to inhibit access to arms.

But the Police Chief's position is complete and utter horseshit. This is not a 'paper crime'. These are ineligible recipients committing perjury, seeking a firearm.

In all cases that aren't some sort of reporting snafu, like mistaken identity (which is rare), this is a person that KNOWS they are ineligible (felons/domestic violence conviction/adjudicated incompetent) committing perjury in an attempt to access a firearm.

It is CRITICAL to prosecute that person, because their next step is grey/black market solutions to obtain a firearm. That person is up to some shit, and I highly doubt they are going to stop with a NICS denial from a FFL. They are going to continue to seek a firearm by other means. Toss their asses in jail, and you change the game. If it's a mentally disqualified individual, you have a chance to have them evaluated, and possibly get them some treatment. If it's a felon, blammo, parole violation, probation violation, you name it. Get them off the street, because they are up to some bullshit.


Graham is an asshole because he's characterizing this as an either/or. We can ALSO do universal background checks, but it STILL remains critical that we prosecute these self-identifying ineligible recipients for perjury, and whatever else we can get them for. Otherwise it's a missed opportunity, like the state of Virginia failing to report the mental health disqualification for Cho, at the VT massacre. Or failure to report Loughner, that fuck bought his gun from a store, passed a background check.

Every opportunity to exclude dangerous people MUST be pursued, in ADDITION to universal background checks. I am extremely disappointed this police chief would outright dismiss this opportunity. It's a rare, and done-deal packaged up with a ribbon on it opportunity to do something about people pursuing access to firearms that have no lawful business doing so.

Wow, that's really something. Turbineguy Feb 2013 #1
This idiot has no shame. He really doesn't southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #2
Blithering idot or just monumentally disingenuous? BlueStreak Feb 2013 #22
Excellent point. You would have thought the idiot would have gotten that. Proves they can southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #23
Wrong. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #27
That's a really narrow technical argument. Total waste of resources to chase that. BlueStreak Feb 2013 #36
A waste of resources to interdict a felon seeking a firearm? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #38
What are you going to do with him when you catch him? BlueStreak Feb 2013 #44
As I said repeatedly up thread... AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #47
paper chases cost too much money and, in the end, PDJane Mar 2013 #58
Graham's SO ignorant Plucketeer Feb 2013 #13
Message auto-removed srogers Feb 2013 #53
Graham is a piece of shit, and is not a good advocate for his position. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #3
Please clarify for me drmeow Feb 2013 #6
When you purchase a firearm from a dealer (FFL) you sign a form 4473 from the BATFE AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #7
Ah, you also asked 'how would you know'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #10
Thank you for the clarification eom drmeow Feb 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author mucifer Feb 2013 #40
Pure BS DWinNJ Feb 2013 #4
just to clarify DWinNJ Feb 2013 #5
Also pure BS. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #9
I agree! DLnyc Feb 2013 #11
Yeah, because, you know, that's totally the same thing, right? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #12
Smoke weed, No gun! SCVDem Feb 2013 #17
Does failing the background check prevent them from purchasing that gun they're applying to purchase MNBrewer Feb 2013 #18
Yeah, at that place and at that time. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #19
We're going to prosecute and convict and house these 88 thousand people MNBrewer Feb 2013 #20
So, what do you think federal agents do when they catch people trying to buy AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #24
But, if the gun show loophole is closed it wouldn't be so easy to do that. mucifer Feb 2013 #41
I agree with both your points. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #42
Where on the form does it say that if you fill out the form truthfully but are ineligible MNBrewer Feb 2013 #35
It doesn't specify. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #39
So is filling out the form truthfully, then failing the background check a felony in itself or not? MNBrewer Feb 2013 #43
I can cite no instance where that has happened. I looked. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #46
So what does that do to Sen. Lindsey's point? MNBrewer Feb 2013 #48
Nothing. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #49
Is such a follow up required by law MNBrewer Feb 2013 #50
This is the relevant section. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #52
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what Sen. Lindsey's objection to those 88thousand forms was MNBrewer Mar 2013 #54
No one knows because no one has followed up on those forms. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #55
That's like Sen. Ted Cruz's question about "Friends of Hamas" MNBrewer Mar 2013 #56
That raises a question. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #57
WHAT FELONY???? MNBrewer Mar 2013 #60
The law doesn't specify 'knowingly'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #61
Yes it does. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #62
Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #63
I saw that, yes MNBrewer Mar 2013 #64
Graham probably wants to see people thrown into a stockade over it, but AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #65
Frankly i'm annoyed with Graham because he seemed to think it was the police officer's call MNBrewer Mar 2013 #66
I bet he knows. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #67
This Police Chief was on Al Sharpton's show this evening PatSeg Feb 2013 #8
Yes! He was excellent! Hope someone can post his comments. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #14
NRA talking points: background checks... Why does the NRA push this line... midnight Feb 2013 #15
It's deflection. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #16
I wish people would summarize embedded video like Huffington Post does. I don't have time to Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #21
I understand how you feel PatSeg Feb 2013 #25
This is one of those videos where the transcription isn't enough to describe what happened pacalo Feb 2013 #28
It really was something to see PatSeg Feb 2013 #33
If that is true, the poster can put that point in the summary. Sell the video! . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #30
The link in the OP summarized it. pacalo Feb 2013 #26
Thanks! Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2013 #29
You're most welcome. pacalo Feb 2013 #31
There is a link up in the OP to the full article that goes with the video. n/t Tx4obama Feb 2013 #32
Some people are way, way to ignorant to be embarassed. Island Deac Feb 2013 #34
I thoroughly enjoyed that, Graham should be ashamed of himself. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #45
Most people are embarrassed by incidences of stupidity. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #51
Graham feels he's made his point and, by asking the same question over and over, proved it. PDJane Mar 2013 #59
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