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sinkingfeeling

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61. Basically the exposure to HPV takes place decades before the cancer develops.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jun 2013

It takes decades for HPV infections to manifest into cancers.

And he said, "....this particular cancer", not "my cancer". To me, "This particular cancer" would be the squamous cell carcinoma.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-hpv-causes-oral-cancer-2013-6#ixzz2VHCJYJ5i

I really don't know how much scientific proof you need, but there are thousands of studies that show a completely different etiology between cancers caused by HPV-16 and those that develop due to smoking or heavy drinking.

There is a distinctive difference between the pathology of HPV-16 cancers and others.

The Head and Neck Pathology Consultation Service at the The Johns Hopkins Hospital now provides a very reliable test to detect the presence HPV-16, the most common HPV subtype to cause cancers of the head and neck. The powerful HPV-16 in situ hybridization catalyzed signal amplification method (DAKO) is highly sensitive, is applicable to formalin-fixed paraffin-embedded clinical samples, and permits direct visualization of viral sequences within tissues.


"It has now been established that the path that brings people to oral cancer contains at least two distinct etiologies; one through tobacco and alcohol, and another via the HPV virus, particularly version 16, though other versions of the virus might be implicated as the research unravels further, though any others identified as of today are considered research data artifacts and not actual causative agents. The anatomical malignancy sites associated with each pathway appear to also be different from each other. In the broadest terms they can be differentiated into these areas; HPV related cancers appear to occur on the tonsillar area, the base of the tongue and the oropharynx, and non-HPV positive tumors tend to involve the anterior tongue, floor of the mouth, the mucosa that covers the inside of the cheeks and alveolar ridges (the ridge area in which the teeth reside). The data on these two distinct etiologies is coming out of researchers more rapidly now, and there are further definitions that seem to be apparent between the two."

http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/hpv/


"Human papillomavirus (HPV)-positive oropharyngeal cancer (OPC) also known as HPV16+ oropharyngeal cancer or HPV+ OPC is a recognized subtype of Oropharyngeal squamous cell carcinomas (OSCC),[1][2][3] associated with the HPV type 16 virus."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV-positive_oropharyngeal_cancer


HPV doesn't cause all oral cancers, but it is becoming a bigger and bigger cause of them. In the 1980s about 16% of all oral cancers were HPV-related, but in the early 2000s, that number was 72%, according to researchers at the National Institutes Of Health

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-hpv-causes-oral-cancer-2013-6#ixzz2VHCbZSkY

"Without wanting to get too specific" Happyhippychick Jun 2013 #1
Well, he didn't identify who. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #18
He got HPV from a woman who got it from a man. He probably gave it to one or more women. SharonAnn Jun 2013 #76
I think most people are unaware that you can contract the disease this way. Arkansas Granny Jun 2013 #2
Then why did he go on to say " Cunnilingus is also the best way to cure it" Myrina Jun 2013 #15
Gross??? You, Ms. Williams, should be ashamed of yourself. I also have sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #3
^^This^^ hlthe2b Jun 2013 #4
+10,000 n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #6
Yes and thanks, sinking. elleng Jun 2013 #9
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. I could have listed some of the sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #11
Wish I had a better answer for you, elleng Jun 2013 #17
+1 still_one Jun 2013 #27
yeah, not with her on this one. public knowledge about disease prevention is a good thing. unblock Jun 2013 #5
It did take a lot of him MFM008 Jun 2013 #7
Okay, but Just Saying Jun 2013 #8
No, he didn't say his was HPV caused. And if you don't think people should sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #12
I read the entire article Just Saying Jun 2013 #19
How is he 'not being honest'? I've had the same cancer and know that sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #22
Because he was asked if his fast lifestyle caught up Just Saying Jun 2013 #28
Thank you. But the writer is an idiot. He didn't 'boast'. I smoked for 40 years, but sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #30
Maybe it's just that sinister smirk on his face that makes you think he's boasting.. Hulk Jun 2013 #10
It's very real, Dental Dams anyone? Heather MC Jun 2013 #13
Then you'd better be reading up on HPV-induced cancers. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #14
And how does that make Mrs. Douglas feel? Myrina Jun 2013 #16
Oh for heavens sake, grow up!!! sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #23
It wouldn't bother you if your spouse outed something like that in the national news? Myrina Jun 2013 #55
'Outed what? That he has a cancer caused by HPV-16. So what? sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #60
That isn't what he said, but let mis-characterize it like the media is doing so we will lose focus still_one Jun 2013 #29
So, if he didn't get it FROM her, then he got it FROM SOMEONE ELSE & likely gave it TO her. Myrina Jun 2013 #56
Now we are jumping to more assumptions. still_one Jun 2013 #62
Why blame his wife? colorado_ufo Jun 2013 #32
Ok, well how would that make YOU feel if someone else shared their virus? Myrina Jun 2013 #54
Myrina Nitram Jun 2013 #41
Was the image taken at the moment he made that statement? tinrobot Jun 2013 #20
He is such a douche. Seriously. silvershadow Jun 2013 #21
How so? Seriously. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #24
To have that whole exchange, bring his wife and such a private thing out in public. Just douche-y. silvershadow Jun 2013 #36
Why are you prudes Nitram Jun 2013 #42
If that douche was actually concerned about preventing disease and educating people, that is one silvershadow Jun 2013 #45
It's not being prudish, its showing some respect for your spouse. Myrina Jun 2013 #58
Really, so we shouldn't tell people how diseases are transmitted? What about sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #43
That is all wonderful stuff. Apparently I missed the bulk of his dissertation. The only part I saw silvershadow Jun 2013 #46
God forbid he talked about his cancer. Eric J in MN Jun 2013 #25
Bullshit. It makes people aware of a risk they may not be aware of. As far as I know he did NOT still_one Jun 2013 #26
I recently heard that Catherine Zeta-Jones.... ReRe Jun 2013 #31
She's Bi-polar. Well documented. Myrina Jun 2013 #59
She is--no secret. Well controlled by medication, ordinarily. MADem Jun 2013 #65
The latest.... MADem Jun 2013 #33
The Dailymail is full of it. The American Cancer Society and SPOHNC both sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #44
Well, just because there is "evidence" of HPV does not follow that HPV caused the cancer. MADem Jun 2013 #47
It's called pathology. Would like to see mine where they looked for HPV-16 when sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #51
Are you telling me that a person can't get cancer from smoking/drinking, and then, later, MADem Jun 2013 #57
Basically the exposure to HPV takes place decades before the cancer develops. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #61
But maybe it doesn't... MADem Jun 2013 #64
Wow, I guess you know more than the American Cancer Society and sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #68
I am basing "what I know" on the links YOU gave me. nt MADem Jun 2013 #69
However, via pathology, one who knows what they're looking at can identify sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #70
When Michael Douglas's pathology report is released to the public, we can continue this discussion. MADem Jun 2013 #71
OK, you're stuck on just Mike Douglas and I'm stuck on people being aware sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #72
I'm stuck on the guy who is the subject of the OP, yeah. MADem Jun 2013 #73
This is my last comment, I promise. The point of the OP article was that sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #74
I met him once... AsahinaKimi Jun 2013 #34
Wow, man hate much? Bennyboy Jun 2013 #35
I don't see how an older adult saying they performed ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #37
Yes. Coming up on Lawrence show. elleng Jun 2013 #38
Best post of the thread! nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #39
It might not have been "his spouse" anyway that gave him the HPV that may or may not have caused the MADem Jun 2013 #48
I'm reminded of how DU reacts when a conservative has cancer. Jim Lane Jun 2013 #40
Well, Michael Douglas was cured of his cancer. MADem Jun 2013 #50
No, Michael Douglas was not cured of his cancer. He's remained cancer free for sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #52
I stand corrected. What we do know is that he was able to play Liberace to Matt Damon's MADem Jun 2013 #53
First of all I don't think Douglas is a Conservative. As far as your main point, disease strikes still_one Jun 2013 #63
"The War of the Roses" ArtiChoke Jun 2013 #49
It's sickening that some people feel the need to LuvNewcastle Jun 2013 #66
I agree with Ms. Williams. Lars39 Jun 2013 #67
I'll never understand the mentality that a person has "earned" their cancer. Lone_Star_Dem Jun 2013 #75
It gave him the chance to reassert his heterosexuality marshall Jun 2013 #77
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