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Summer Hathaway

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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:01 AM
Jan 2013
"I agree, nobody can actually know 100% for sure how a historical figure would view current events. I would have thought that was so obvious it could go without saying."

Unfortunately, Mr. Ford - and yourself - have taken the position that based on MLK's previous statements, his current position on things could be obviously discerned.

"nobody can literally know what a deceased person would have thought if they had been alive. So people should be able to just skip over that mundane point and move on to the interesting part of giving their opinions on what historical figures would think of some current issue."

I don't see having been deceased for four decades as a "mundane point one should skip over". Nor did Mr. Ford proffer his diatribe as 'opinion', but as a statement of fact.

Nice attempt at back-peddling - but my initial position still stands: Given that, as you are now saying, "no one can literally know what a deceased person would have thought" about today's world, it is the height of arrogance, not to mention abject stupidity, to insist that Mr. Ford (or anyone else) is in a position to proffer thoughts, statements and ideas that would have been held by MLK as though it were a fact.

That is exactly what Ford did, and is exactly what you defended - until your position was pointed out, by myself and others, as completely indefensible and downright absurd.

You keep bringing up what "adults" would think about this nonsense - and that repetition leads me to believe that you are defensive about being perceived as "an adult". And with good reason.

Adults don't put words into the mouths of dead men in order to validate their own currently-held positions. Adults don't stick their hands into the backs of long-deceased leaders and manipulate them like Muppets. Adults don't attribute thoughts, words, and actions to corpses and pretend they are 'channeling' what the dead would have, could have, should have said or done.

You might want to consider growing up and actually being an adult, instead of defending your incredibly immature and childish positions. And that's what they are.
Is Glen Ford speaking for Dr King? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #1
Would you care to comment demwing Jan 2013 #2
I agree with it. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #3
You believe Obama demwing Jan 2013 #4
pretty much limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #5
Well there it is /nt demwing Jan 2013 #10
what? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #19
Listen, I'm glad you are straight forward about your beliefs demwing Jan 2013 #20
"Does Barack Obama represent the political tradition of Martin Luther King?" limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #21
If it deserves serious discussion, then discuss it seriously demwing Jan 2013 #25
It seemed like a serious commentary to me. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #30
What war has he started? obama2terms Jan 2013 #22
I think if MLK were alive he would be harshly critical of Obama's brutal drone warfare policies. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #33
This type of writing Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #6
Very well said...n/t monmouth3 Jan 2013 #7
I completely disagree with what you just said. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #8
It takes absolutely no thought whatsoever Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #15
If MLK were alive today he would be really disappointed in President Obama. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #18
Well let's see here obama2terms Jan 2013 #23
You make a lot of good points and I agree with much of that. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #32
Ah, yet another man Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #24
It's cool to say how a particular political philosopher from history would view modern events. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #35
There is nothing "cool" Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #36
Actually it's very cool to learn about the philosophical ideas of liberation and non-violence limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #39
... Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #41
Do you understand that a person can present their opinion without expressly labeling it an opinion? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #43
Mr. Ford does not Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #44
I feel like you don't understand how to tell facts from opinions. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #45
It has nothing to do with Obama Summer Hathaway Jan 2013 #47
+1 Politicub Jan 2013 #13
Exactly.... Its pure conjecture bullshit Still Sensible Jan 2013 #17
Hiding behind MLK is a great tactic. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #29
hackneyed. Not hack-kneed Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #27
One was a man of peace. The other won the Nobel peace prize. nt cbrer Jan 2013 #9
somehow they both won a Nobel Peace Prize. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #11
Thanks cbrer Jan 2013 #12
You're just a ray of sunshine, aren't you? Politicub Jan 2013 #14
What's your point? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #16
That "dialogue" with you has very little Shivering Jemmy Jan 2013 #26
That made no sense limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #31
Apparently, today is "Speak for a famous dead person" day. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #28
It's cool to say how a particular political philosopher from history would view modern events. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #34
Actually, you can not make those claims with any authority. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #37
I agree, nobody can actually know 100% for sure how a historical figure would view current events. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #38
But it is not so obvious. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #40
It was his opinion. One doesn't have to say "this is my opinion" because it's implied. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #42
I don't think conflating an activist with a politician or religious leader with a politician is good stevenleser Jan 2013 #46
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