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In reply to the discussion: Don’t You Dare Conflate MLK and Obama [View all]Summer Hathaway
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"I agree, nobody can actually know 100% for sure how a historical figure would view current events. I would have thought that was so obvious it could go without saying."
Unfortunately, Mr. Ford - and yourself - have taken the position that based on MLK's previous statements, his current position on things could be obviously discerned.
"nobody can literally know what a deceased person would have thought if they had been alive. So people should be able to just skip over that mundane point and move on to the interesting part of giving their opinions on what historical figures would think of some current issue."
I don't see having been deceased for four decades as a "mundane point one should skip over". Nor did Mr. Ford proffer his diatribe as 'opinion', but as a statement of fact.
Nice attempt at back-peddling - but my initial position still stands: Given that, as you are now saying, "no one can literally know what a deceased person would have thought" about today's world, it is the height of arrogance, not to mention abject stupidity, to insist that Mr. Ford (or anyone else) is in a position to proffer thoughts, statements and ideas that would have been held by MLK as though it were a fact.
That is exactly what Ford did, and is exactly what you defended - until your position was pointed out, by myself and others, as completely indefensible and downright absurd.
You keep bringing up what "adults" would think about this nonsense - and that repetition leads me to believe that you are defensive about being perceived as "an adult". And with good reason.
Adults don't put words into the mouths of dead men in order to validate their own currently-held positions. Adults don't stick their hands into the backs of long-deceased leaders and manipulate them like Muppets. Adults don't attribute thoughts, words, and actions to corpses and pretend they are 'channeling' what the dead would have, could have, should have said or done.
You might want to consider growing up and actually being an adult, instead of defending your incredibly immature and childish positions. And that's what they are.
Unfortunately, Mr. Ford - and yourself - have taken the position that based on MLK's previous statements, his current position on things could be obviously discerned.
"nobody can literally know what a deceased person would have thought if they had been alive. So people should be able to just skip over that mundane point and move on to the interesting part of giving their opinions on what historical figures would think of some current issue."
I don't see having been deceased for four decades as a "mundane point one should skip over". Nor did Mr. Ford proffer his diatribe as 'opinion', but as a statement of fact.
Nice attempt at back-peddling - but my initial position still stands: Given that, as you are now saying, "no one can literally know what a deceased person would have thought" about today's world, it is the height of arrogance, not to mention abject stupidity, to insist that Mr. Ford (or anyone else) is in a position to proffer thoughts, statements and ideas that would have been held by MLK as though it were a fact.
That is exactly what Ford did, and is exactly what you defended - until your position was pointed out, by myself and others, as completely indefensible and downright absurd.
You keep bringing up what "adults" would think about this nonsense - and that repetition leads me to believe that you are defensive about being perceived as "an adult". And with good reason.
Adults don't put words into the mouths of dead men in order to validate their own currently-held positions. Adults don't stick their hands into the backs of long-deceased leaders and manipulate them like Muppets. Adults don't attribute thoughts, words, and actions to corpses and pretend they are 'channeling' what the dead would have, could have, should have said or done.
You might want to consider growing up and actually being an adult, instead of defending your incredibly immature and childish positions. And that's what they are.
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"Does Barack Obama represent the political tradition of Martin Luther King?"
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#21
I think if MLK were alive he would be harshly critical of Obama's brutal drone warfare policies.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#33
If MLK were alive today he would be really disappointed in President Obama.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#18
It's cool to say how a particular political philosopher from history would view modern events.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#35
Actually it's very cool to learn about the philosophical ideas of liberation and non-violence
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#39
Do you understand that a person can present their opinion without expressly labeling it an opinion?
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#43
It's cool to say how a particular political philosopher from history would view modern events.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#34
I agree, nobody can actually know 100% for sure how a historical figure would view current events.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#38
It was his opinion. One doesn't have to say "this is my opinion" because it's implied.
limpyhobbler
Jan 2013
#42
I don't think conflating an activist with a politician or religious leader with a politician is good
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#46