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a geek named Bob

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36. okay...here we go...
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:28 PM
Nov 2012
I cant believe how far you are taking this, man.




Do you hear yourself? Have you read the constitution?


Have you heard of the idea of being arrested for yelling "fire" in a theater? How about Jury direction? Maybe you've heard of the Secrecy Act?

The accused get a day in court, they have a right to an attorney and defend themselves in court. No matter who, what, or how guilty.


They are getting their day in court. Your histrionics aside, they have no defense. So far, what you are describing is the same as a bunch of malcontented teenagers not liking a construction project, so they sprayed grafitti on the bull dozers, and poured blood on the ground.

National security issues aside, you've taken it further and assigned yourself judge, jury, and possibly executioner.


Look, these turkeys want to talk about the evils of nuclear weapons. That doesn't give them the right to trespass or vandalize. National Security areas have the authority to shoot to kill...

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the trial judge will keep facts about nuclear weapons away from the jurors


National Security. The whole "the jury would acquit" means that the writer of the article is okay with breaking laws, when he/she finds it convenient. Grow up and deal with the consequences of your actions.

Also, From the article...
The motion asks the court to forbid all evidence — even expert testimony — about “necessity, international law, Nuremberg Principles, First Amendment protections, the alleged immorality of nuclear weapons, good motive, religious moral or political beliefs regarding nuclear weapons, and the U.S. government’s policy regarding nuclear weapons.” The “basis” for excluding evidence regarding the threatened use of our H-bombs is that it is “not relevant.”


That sounds like these turkeys want a media circus. "Your honor, you can't convict me! I was breaking the law for a higher purpose!" That's the defense that's the "defense" that the clinic bombers use.

U.S. plans for nuclear warfare


That's discussing US Defense strategy, on record. That's violating National Security.

The article seems to feel that laws are only important when not interfering with a Good Cause.

That's a dangerous first step.

Were I the Judge/Jury/Executioner you say I've claimed, why are they still alive?

The mark of an adult is to make decisions, and live with the consequences - including the legal ones.
It's called "the rule of law" . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #1
Should their motives be allowed in the defense? The fact that they did it as limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #2
They breached a national security area... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #3
So you support a gag order that forbids them from stating their motives in the crime. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #4
and thank YOU for putting words in my mouth... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #5
So you support gagging these protesters from raising their MOTIVES as part of their defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #6
What point would voicing their motives serve? a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #7
The motives are part of their defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #8
okay then... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #9
I didn't say any of those things. Only that they should be able to speak in their own defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #10
I understand you have difficulty understanding the law. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #12
The lawyer sitting next to me PETRUS Nov 2012 #14
Fair point. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #16
You've made an incorrect assumption. PETRUS Nov 2012 #39
The difference in our worldviews seems to be that I play by the rules... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #41
In what sense am I not playing by the rules? PETRUS Nov 2012 #42
You seem to be willing to allow "noble reasons" to mitigate/abrogate the law. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #45
You misunderstand me. PETRUS Nov 2012 #46
They broke the law without extenuating circumstances. a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author PETRUS Nov 2012 #50
If affirmative defense is typically limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #17
maybe the judge doesn't want to say "national security," to avoid a media spectacle... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #23
If the prosecution tried to stop the affirmative defense based on a national security claim, limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #31
limphobbler... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #34
The only thing I'm talking about is whether they should be able to present an affirmative defense. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #37
kind of figured that one... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #38
You misunderstand the point of civil disobedience. Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #18
and national security can override that "on the record" a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #22
"National Security" has been used as an excuse for all sorts of Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #24
Go look up Protect - Vachss, and - separately - the NRA a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #25
You're not even trying Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #26
right... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #27
Nukes have fallen under "national security" Confusious Nov 2012 #28
I was throwing his question back at him Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #30
Cal... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #33
Wow, who needs courts at all then? Cal Carpenter Nov 2012 #35
okay...here we go... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #36
Well, you got a little off topic Confusious Nov 2012 #52
Their motives warrant consideration by society as a whole . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #11
but the article wouldn't rouse the populace (as much) without the "kangaroo" phrase... n/t a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #13
Good point. And civil disobedience doesn't work as well without . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #19
Tools are most effective, when correctly used... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #21
Or when the social contract is so frayed by official abuse . . . MrModerate Nov 2012 #29
then we get into the issue of just WHAT is in the social contract... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #32
What do you do when society's ostensible leaders are willing to ignore the laws of the land? PETRUS Nov 2012 #40
Nice framing question... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #43
I didn't say they did. PETRUS Nov 2012 #44
Personally, I want to see Elizabeth Warren lead an Untouchables style raid on Wall street... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #47
Tempting idea. PETRUS Nov 2012 #49
mind you... if we really wanted to be mean... a geek named Bob Nov 2012 #51
I'm not a lawyer either. PETRUS Nov 2012 #15
Okey-doke. And what does he say? MrModerate Nov 2012 #20
Their website is transformnowplowshares.wordpress.com bananas Nov 2012 #53
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