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In reply to the discussion: Kangaroo Court Looming for Y-12 Nuclear Weapons Critics [View all]a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)36. okay...here we go...
I cant believe how far you are taking this, man.
Do you hear yourself? Have you read the constitution?
Have you heard of the idea of being arrested for yelling "fire" in a theater? How about Jury direction? Maybe you've heard of the Secrecy Act?
The accused get a day in court, they have a right to an attorney and defend themselves in court. No matter who, what, or how guilty.
They are getting their day in court. Your histrionics aside, they have no defense. So far, what you are describing is the same as a bunch of malcontented teenagers not liking a construction project, so they sprayed grafitti on the bull dozers, and poured blood on the ground.
National security issues aside, you've taken it further and assigned yourself judge, jury, and possibly executioner.
Look, these turkeys want to talk about the evils of nuclear weapons. That doesn't give them the right to trespass or vandalize. National Security areas have the authority to shoot to kill...
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the trial judge will keep facts about nuclear weapons away from the jurors
National Security. The whole "the jury would acquit" means that the writer of the article is okay with breaking laws, when he/she finds it convenient. Grow up and deal with the consequences of your actions.
Also, From the article...
The motion asks the court to forbid all evidence even expert testimony about necessity, international law, Nuremberg Principles, First Amendment protections, the alleged immorality of nuclear weapons, good motive, religious moral or political beliefs regarding nuclear weapons, and the U.S. governments policy regarding nuclear weapons. The basis for excluding evidence regarding the threatened use of our H-bombs is that it is not relevant.
That sounds like these turkeys want a media circus. "Your honor, you can't convict me! I was breaking the law for a higher purpose!" That's the defense that's the "defense" that the clinic bombers use.
U.S. plans for nuclear warfare
That's discussing US Defense strategy, on record. That's violating National Security.
The article seems to feel that laws are only important when not interfering with a Good Cause.
That's a dangerous first step.
Were I the Judge/Jury/Executioner you say I've claimed, why are they still alive?
The mark of an adult is to make decisions, and live with the consequences - including the legal ones.
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Should their motives be allowed in the defense? The fact that they did it as
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#2
So you support a gag order that forbids them from stating their motives in the crime.
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#4
So you support gagging these protesters from raising their MOTIVES as part of their defense.
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#6
I didn't say any of those things. Only that they should be able to speak in their own defense.
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#10
The difference in our worldviews seems to be that I play by the rules...
a geek named Bob
Nov 2012
#41
You seem to be willing to allow "noble reasons" to mitigate/abrogate the law.
a geek named Bob
Nov 2012
#45
maybe the judge doesn't want to say "national security," to avoid a media spectacle...
a geek named Bob
Nov 2012
#23
If the prosecution tried to stop the affirmative defense based on a national security claim,
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#31
The only thing I'm talking about is whether they should be able to present an affirmative defense.
limpyhobbler
Nov 2012
#37
but the article wouldn't rouse the populace (as much) without the "kangaroo" phrase... n/t
a geek named Bob
Nov 2012
#13
What do you do when society's ostensible leaders are willing to ignore the laws of the land?
PETRUS
Nov 2012
#40
Personally, I want to see Elizabeth Warren lead an Untouchables style raid on Wall street...
a geek named Bob
Nov 2012
#47