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OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
37. Im sorry but you don't know what you're talking about.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jun 2012

1) Union dues do not and cannot by law be donated to political campaigns. Money that unions donate must be raised separately through PACs. Members who give do so voluntarily and know what they are doing. That union members are supporting "a party with which, for whatever reasons, one does not agree..." is a right-wing talking point.

Here is an explanation on the NTEU website: http://www.nteu.org/tepac.aspx

2) "The Democratic Party" is not the "DLC." If the two were synonymous, a lot more people would be tombstoned off this website, where we are required to support the Democratic Party, but many of us loathe the DLC.

3) Calling President Trumka a "visible symbol of rot" is an ad hominem attack and not proof that he supports the DLC. I challenge you to find any speech or statement of his that supports the neoliberal agenda. He's been out there fighting it since he became President. He's gone to the G-20, to OECD, to Brazil to meet with Lula, everywhere to decry the neoliberal model.

http://www.esquire.com/features/americans-2011/richard-trumka-1211
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Economy/Trumka-to-Global-Leaders-Jobs-Not-Cutbacks
http://www.aflcio.org/Press-Room/Speeches/Remarks-by-AFL-CIO-President-Richard-L.-Trumka-for-the-Global-Progressive-Forum-AFL-CIO-Washington-DC


Get your facts straight and post something other than anti-union grime and then we can have an intelligent conversation. 'Till then, I'm out.

Unrepresented labor josejimenez Jun 2012 #1
True. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #3
This is a venerable strain in US politics. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #2
Yup, the "we don't need unions" crowd are about as effective as OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #4
Union leadership has sold out mcmurphy Jun 2012 #5
How would you suggest the tide be turned? MADem Jun 2012 #8
The solution, I think, is to (a) define and be guided by our principled stances, mcmurphy Jun 2012 #10
The problem with that is that we are a Big Tent Party. MADem Jun 2012 #12
""Our principled stances" vary from member to member, from voter to voter, from region to region." mcmurphy Jun 2012 #29
How shitty--you don't even know me and you're telling me what applies to me. Keep it up. MADem Jun 2012 #33
Who are you supporting for pres at this time? uppityperson Jun 2012 #15
Planned Parenthood... mcmurphy Jun 2012 #30
What did PP become? "until it became a, well...no matter"? uppityperson Jun 2012 #34
I wish people would stop saying this Doctor_J Jun 2012 #35
No it wasn't. Walker is now a caged animal and a target of an investigation. MADem Jun 2012 #38
He was already the target of an investigation Doctor_J Jun 2012 #56
If every RW governor currently in office was caged by a Dem Senate, we'd be in great shape. MADem Jun 2012 #57
And a fine time it is to be sanguine Doctor_J Jun 2012 #58
I would say that is pretty harsh. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #11
judged by their actions, i think we can say that the top leadership of the unions sold out a long HiPointDem Jun 2012 #14
What actions are you talking about? nt. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #16
40 years of concessions. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #18
That is a talking point, not evidence. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #19
i'm not bashing unions. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #26
I still don't see your point. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #27
there weren't 7% in 1980. it's *because* the big unions (the company unions) didn't show any HiPointDem Jun 2012 #28
It is a random chart. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #39
it's not a random chart. it's a chart showing the sharp decline in labor actions after 1980. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #47
"as anyone can see by looking at the url." OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #51
anyone can see the url for graphics by right-clicking on them and selecting that option. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #54
It would also help to stop making "The DLC" the boogie man, here. MADem Jun 2012 #40
I don't think so. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #43
You're probably right--if a defunct organization is used as a poutrage justifier, it's all yack and MADem Jun 2012 #44
their actions are what makes them sell-outs. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #48
Again, no evidence. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #52
the proof is in the pudding. which is, unions are dead & have not acted as defenders of labor HiPointDem Jun 2012 #55
"Unions don't support the DLC." mcmurphy Jun 2012 #31
Im sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #37
The DLC shut down in Feb 2011. Let's blame the Whigs while we're at it, too. nt MADem Jun 2012 #41
Thank you. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #42
I can tell ya where it's coming from. MADem Jun 2012 #45
but the third way democrats are still the party leadership. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #49
so what is their solutions to this perceived problem? madrchsod Jun 2012 #6
the author is a professor OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #20
that's funny, professional apologists bore *me*. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #50
It's a matter of picking battles. DailyGrind51 Jun 2012 #7
Progressives invented the recall, so I'm not sure that is a completely fair criticism. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #9
What has arisen on the left which you misread as an anti labor sentiment is aimed at the leadership. mcmurphy Jun 2012 #32
Feingold is a progressive voice that supported this recall... midnight Jun 2012 #24
Who delievered a win? Doctor_J Jun 2012 #36
The million people who signed the petition.... They are the winners. They stood up and were counted midnight Jun 2012 #46
walker is still the governor Doctor_J Jun 2012 #53
manufactured consent Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #13
Love the screen name! OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #17
+++++1000 midnight Jun 2012 #23
"Success has many fathers..." ljm2002 Jun 2012 #21
White House official: 'Organized labor just flushed $10 million down the toilet' midnight Jun 2012 #22
I agree with one of the posters on that article. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #25
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