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MADem

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33. Oh, sure, I don't disagree with that at all...
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 12:07 PM
Feb 2012

I'm referring not to 'actual hygiene,' here, but more to the relationship between the moneyed brahmins of Boston and other large northeastern cities, and the often slum-dwelling poor and slightly better housed working class masses who served them. When the Catholics (Irish and Italians, mostly, as well as Poles and other ethnicities) took political power as their numbers reached critical mass, the balance changed, and those rough fellows started wearing nicer outfits and making decisions, which didn't always sit well with the people who had held the power previously.

I was in Philadelphia a little more than a year ago, and took the tours again--very enjoyable. They were doing more construction across the street in the area where the bell is housed; I imagine that has come along since I was last there.

Odd fact--in Philadelphia, the one Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence was prevented by law from holding political office or voting, solely as a consequence of his religion--kind of funny, since he was from the Catholic state of MD:

Charles Carroll of Carrollton (1737-1832) was the most illustrious and best-known of the Carrolls. He was the only signer whose property — Carrollton — was mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Carrollton was the 10,000-acre estate in Frederick County, Maryland, that Charles Carroll's father had given him on his return to America from his education in Europe.

At the time he signed the Declaration, it was against the law for a Catholic to hold public office or to vote. Although Maryland was founded by and for Catholics in 1634, in 1649 and, later, in 1689 after the Glorious Revolution placed severe restrictions on Catholics in England, the laws were changed in Maryland, and Catholicism was repressed.

Catholics could no longer hold office, exercise the franchise, educate their children in their faith, or worship in public. With the Declaration of Independence, all this bias and restriction ended. ...


http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/us/ah0016.html
What a jerk! xmas74 Feb 2012 #1
Haven't known about him for very long, have you? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #2
I've known of him for years. xmas74 Feb 2012 #22
So you really weren't surprised after all. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #23
That's the part that threw me for a loop. xmas74 Feb 2012 #39
My theory is this: The Doctor. Feb 2012 #41
He said this at a town FOUNDED for CATHOLICS HockeyMom Feb 2012 #4
Yeah...Ave Maria, the Dominick's Pizza guy, right? whathehell Feb 2012 #9
Tom Monaghan, formerly of Domino's Pizza Bozita Feb 2012 #13
Of course the Catholics preach moral superiority! They came first, after all! MADem Feb 2012 #14
Well, in fairness, the Catholics were pretty badly treated when they arrived in the Americas. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #20
A lot of those Catholics were treated poorly because they were "unwashed" MADem Feb 2012 #25
Oh hell -- The Founding Fathers were "unwashed" whathehell Feb 2012 #29
Oh, sure, I don't disagree with that at all... MADem Feb 2012 #33
Thank you...It's true and has about as much to do with "washing" as it did in 16th century England whathehell Feb 2012 #30
You are being too literal, I fear, with my comments. nt MADem Feb 2012 #34
But they are not "real Christians", dontcha know...They're a "cult" say the Evangelicals. whathehell Feb 2012 #28
I never said anything about "mild." It was not mild. MADem Feb 2012 #35
I attended catholic school pre-Vatican II, and that was not my experience, whathehell Feb 2012 #49
I went to Catholic schools in the 1960s and 1970s Sanity Claws Feb 2012 #27
Of course not--your experience was POST Vatican II, which happened in '62. MADem Feb 2012 #36
I'm with you.... Grins Feb 2012 #48
Thanks. I went through twelve years of Catholic School and can honestly say the same. whathehell Feb 2012 #50
I've heard it before xmas74 Feb 2012 #21
I really, really HATE... immoderate Feb 2012 #3
The Church Lady also wears sweaters NAO Feb 2012 #5
Audio below Tx4obama Feb 2012 #6
That'll cost him at least 10 states in November Bozita Feb 2012 #7
This country needs more sectarian division. It works great for the Muslims. dimbear Feb 2012 #8
I want Santorum to win the nomination, damnit ! Trajan Feb 2012 #10
I do too. But there isnt a chance in hell. nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #11
I want him to get help for his mental illness Remember Me Feb 2012 #16
Ricky has not read his catechism lately. Brigid Feb 2012 #12
Isn't that "Vatican 2 bullshit?" MADem Feb 2012 #15
I think your headline is a bit of a stretch customerserviceguy Feb 2012 #17
I wonder if an election can end in a negative number? He is making enemies faster than we can jwirr Feb 2012 #18
With Diebold, it's possible.nt caseymoz Feb 2012 #19
Absolutely - forgot about them but they are probably on his side. jwirr Feb 2012 #37
Obama is the luckiest human being on Earth MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #24
Santorum's a freek. There's no need to make up shit. GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #26
Correct...He's VERY odd, and a decided "loser" in any general election, so there's no need whathehell Feb 2012 #31
Notice How Deliberate He Is To Single Out "Mainline" DallasNE Feb 2012 #32
He does not part company with Catholic faith intaglio Feb 2012 #45
I bet he's being backed by the Institute for Religion and Democracy Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #38
can we PLEASE keep these stories quiet until AFTER he secures the GOP nomination? Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #40
The grip of Satan, or the grip of blue-haired ladies carrying plates of lemon bars? WestElk Feb 2012 #42
Phaugh! Not a problem. Rozlee Feb 2012 #43
and let's not forget to attack Obama...FOR DIVIDING US! Bill USA Feb 2012 #44
Great point! Who's the real divider? n/t MarkCharles Feb 2012 #47
Ohy Boy ..... Ring Kissing Competition among the Ass Kissers....canardly wait opihimoimoi Feb 2012 #46
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