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RationalMan

(96 posts)
52. I wouldn't disagree with him on his facial statement......
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jan 2015

The Founding Fathers did die because of their belief in and commitment to liberty and independence from Britain. ISIS is dying because of their belief in something - whether that really is Islam or just a power grab, tribal power, etc. is a bit unclear to me. I agree.

But Carson has a more subtle message and that is that American conservatives need to be prepared to die for their beliefs whether that is smaller government, right to deny a woman the right to choose, equality for LGBT persons, right to pollute and destroy the planet, right to give more and more to the wealthy and destroy the middle class and further decimate the poor, etc.

My challenge to Mr. Carson is you don't need to die for those POLITICAL objectives. We have a political system, a system that is increasingly in the control of conservatives.

He seems to be saying if you can't win at the ballot box and the Constitution restrains you from your objectives you should be prepared to have another civil war to achieve those ends.

That, in my mind, is treason.

So lets ask Ben Carson is HE willing to die for whatever it is HE believes in? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #1
This is coded language to the nut-jobs he speaks to randys1 Jan 2015 #2
I don't believe I KNOW they do....they believe that America was created by God.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #4
BUt how does that work for the tens of millions of christians, do they die? randys1 Jan 2015 #6
no they live in Peace for 1000 yrs ruled by Jesus! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #34
What happens when the thousand years is up? daleo Jan 2015 #37
Oh then Judgement day comes... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #41
It sounds like 1000 years of paranoia daleo Jan 2015 #58
they give this supposedly omnipotent old guy who lives in the clouds..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #62
We must fight back with more than pens...something more is needed, but what, they control the media? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
SDA's, of whom Carson is one in good standing, are very, very conservative Adsos Letter Jan 2015 #33
Oh yeah. shenmue Jan 2015 #5
He is willing to send others in to die for him...how much further is the line crossed into sedition? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #3
I can respect a guy who is in it for the money, in one way, at least that person randys1 Jan 2015 #11
Die for Money? Cryptoad Jan 2015 #8
Snap!nt bravenak Jan 2015 #16
Ben Carson is a WACKO!* immoderate Jan 2015 #9
I hope he runs for Prez Cryptoad Jan 2015 #10
Idiot Savant? bravenak Jan 2015 #12
As PM Cameron said of a Fox News Islamaphobe, just plain "Idiot". Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
But he is a DOCTOR dammit!nt bravenak Jan 2015 #15
Could you demonstrate that please? n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #14
Holy freakin' crap, Lois! KamaAina Jan 2015 #17
Well, in his defense, ISIS did print and distribute a pamphlet explaining tblue37 Jan 2015 #28
Oh no you di'int! KamaAina Jan 2015 #47
Ughhhh.... Let's see..... Turbineguy Jan 2015 #18
This statement rtracey Jan 2015 #19
Why wouldn't everyone love the Constitution? pocoloco Jan 2015 #30
missed the point rtracey Jan 2015 #53
Carson the hypocrite who used every govt program in the book to get his Degrees... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #42
Should we tell the Dr. about Baron von Steuben being gay? Botany Jan 2015 #20
Someone should tell the Dr. about the French... Johnyawl Jan 2015 #22
Does he even know that there were "non-Americans" helping to fight the Revolutionary War? Like... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #29
Nope! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #43
Or Alan Turing? KamaAina Jan 2015 #48
Stinkin hypocrite ErikJ Jan 2015 #21
CAIN! Miles Archer Jan 2015 #23
Carson just dissed the ENTIRE AMERICAN NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT KeepItReal Jan 2015 #24
Is that supposed to be the measure of who's right? FiveGoodMen Jan 2015 #25
I think Ben is trying to say that winning is more important than being right Ash_F Jan 2015 #63
Imagine what would happen if a prominent Democrat said the same thing. Paladin Jan 2015 #26
RWers love Putin for his toughness, too. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #27
This BS did remind me of Rudy Giuliani's... 3catwoman3 Jan 2015 #46
I guess the comparison works if you consider that both had sex slaves.... Moonwalk Jan 2015 #31
Founding Fathers didn't kill women and children to make a statement Fearless Jan 2015 #32
He doesn't know the difference between "willing to die for your beliefs" and "willing to kill those Boomerproud Jan 2015 #35
Put on your 'reg-tags' Benny El Shaman Jan 2015 #36
And Reagan said the Taliban daleo Jan 2015 #38
and the Contras--same death toll as ISIS, but without the legitimacy MisterP Jan 2015 #40
Reagan was a deluded nut daleo Jan 2015 #59
heck, it's probably only thanks to his astrologer that we're all still breathing, since she tricked MisterP Jan 2015 #60
He may be a brillant surgeon Iliyah Jan 2015 #39
oh come now. Nobody riversedge Jan 2015 #49
Teabaggers equal ISIS workinclasszero Jan 2015 #44
Gun culture fights the same fight as ISIS. onehandle Jan 2015 #45
vote for Ben Carson to restore America Enrique Jan 2015 #50
This guy is crazier than I thought . . . and that's saying something. Vinca Jan 2015 #51
I wouldn't disagree with him on his facial statement...... RationalMan Jan 2015 #52
I hope that Ben is a better retired neurosurgeon than historian LibertyLover Jan 2015 #54
Ok fair enough booley Jan 2015 #55
His message backs up the believes of many conservatives and Republicans. I really think that many sammy750 Jan 2015 #56
"Ben Carson Shilled For Notorious Company That Promoted Quack Aids, Cancer Cures" red dog 1 Jan 2015 #57
Republican shill who wants to be POTUS workinclasszero Jan 2015 #61
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