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mucifer

(23,537 posts)
64. Here is some info from the NYTimes:
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:06 PM
Dec 2014
Grass-grazing cows emit considerably more methane than grain-fed cows. Pastured organic chickens have a 20 percent greater impact on global warming. It requires 2 to 20 acres to raise a cow on grass. If we raised all the cows in the United States on grass (all 100 million of them), cattle would require (using the figure of 10 acres per cow) almost half the country’s land (and this figure excludes space needed for pastured chicken and pigs). A tract of land just larger than France has been carved out of the Brazilian rain forest and turned over to grazing cattle. Nothing about this is sustainable.

Advocates of small-scale, nonindustrial alternatives say their choice is at least more natural. Again, this is a dubious claim. Many farmers who raise chickens on pasture use industrial breeds that have been bred to do one thing well: fatten quickly in confinement. As a result, they can suffer painful leg injuries after several weeks of living a “natural” life pecking around a large pasture. Free-range pigs are routinely affixed with nose rings to prevent them from rooting, which is one of their most basic instincts. In essence, what we see as natural doesn’t necessarily conform to what is natural from the animals’ perspectives.

The economics of alternative animal systems are similarly problematic. Subsidies notwithstanding, the unfortunate reality of commodifying animals is that confinement pays. If the production of meat and dairy was somehow decentralized into small free-range operations, common economic sense suggests that it wouldn’t last. These businesses — no matter how virtuous in intention — would gradually seek a larger market share, cutting corners, increasing stocking density and aiming to fatten animals faster than competitors could. Barring the strictest regulations, it wouldn’t take long for production systems to scale back up to where they started.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/opinion/the-myth-of-sustainable-meat.html?_r=0

There is more info in the article.
I'm no vegetarian, but I've saved a lot of cows the past several years... hlthe2b Dec 2014 #1
"perceptions that it serves junk food".... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #2
Inorite? XemaSab Dec 2014 #68
McDonald's is pretty good at giving people what they want bigworld Dec 2014 #3
true but McD has not kept up with the times wordpix Dec 2014 #18
Is it wrong of me to think that a Sausage and Egg McMuffin is the perfect breakfast? Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #4
I'm with you. n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #7
Agreed although I get the regular McMuffin (lower fat and calories) riderinthestorm Dec 2014 #8
I've heard that you can ask for a "round egg" and you will get a real egg Thor_MN Dec 2014 #13
It was true in 2002 when I worked there Travis_0004 Dec 2014 #27
When I Worked RobinA Dec 2014 #47
Got cancer? what's wrong is McD farmers' treatment of animals & poisons in the food chain wordpix Dec 2014 #19
If everyone in the USA would eat grass fed beef there wouldn't be enough mucifer Dec 2014 #51
the majority of the millions of cattle on our almost free public lands are export meat. Sunlei Dec 2014 #58
Based on what? I'm in AZ now where lots of cattle used to roam wordpix Dec 2014 #63
Here is some info from the NYTimes: mucifer Dec 2014 #64
I actually like their food *hanging head in shame* closeupready Dec 2014 #24
I like their grilled chicken. 840high Dec 2014 #29
I Do Too RobinA Dec 2014 #48
Once in a while, it definitely hits the spot. Same goes for a Big Mac and fries lunch. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #40
Perfection. nt B2G Dec 2014 #57
No: the McTenThirty Recursion Dec 2014 #67
how about serve breakfast all day JI7 Dec 2014 #5
They can start by getting rid of the MSG aka autolyzed yeast in their crispy chicken and fries. Hugin Dec 2014 #6
MSG is not autolysed yeast and vice versa. Thor_MN Dec 2014 #12
Wow... A member of the MSG lobby posts here. Hugin Dec 2014 #15
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #16
At least I can READ. Hugin Dec 2014 #22
Ok all that's fine.. sendero Dec 2014 #33
I'm not especially concerned, but it is one more (or less) artificial additive in one's food. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #41
This country has a big problem with obesity. Hugin Dec 2014 #54
"examine ingredients" Derek V Dec 2014 #9
Surely it's about their perceptions on serving junk food... Earth_First Dec 2014 #10
what food does costco serve? Mosby Dec 2014 #14
Clearly you missed the entire point of my response... Earth_First Dec 2014 #17
you're right, I did skip over the main point Mosby Dec 2014 #23
I don't understand the Costco worship. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #25
...^ that 840high Dec 2014 #30
My biggest issue with them is the cozy relationship they have with AmEx Mosby Dec 2014 #31
AmEx lowers the discount to get exclusivity for credit card swipes. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #35
No, of course you don't. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #32
Actually I get it very well. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #34
LOL... sendero Dec 2014 #37
Maybe it's a "lesser evil" kind of thing? nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #42
Count Me In RobinA Dec 2014 #49
Someone who calls themselves "Earth_First" is telling someone to observe...COSTCO. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #36
a "Create Your Taste" program that lets people pick the buns, cheeses and topping for their burgers. Thor_MN Dec 2014 #11
One thing I hate.... CANDO Dec 2014 #20
I don't hit up drive-thrus too often anymore, but when I do I usually get stuck behind the one guy nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #43
Can I give you a piece of friendly advice? jberryhill Dec 2014 #53
... nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #60
Dennys.... RobinA Dec 2014 #50
Ah yes, the microwave.... CANDO Dec 2014 #59
Aiden? Aiden? Am I going to have to stop this car? Frank Cannon Dec 2014 #21
Now THAT is how you write a fucking post. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #26
I don't eat there now.. sendero Dec 2014 #38
Christmas shopping and my yearly lunch at McD's HockeyMom Dec 2014 #28
They Expect You to Memorize the Menu tonekat Dec 2014 #39
I must confess: I still go to McDonalds Lugano Dec 2014 #44
Here ya go: Brigid Dec 2014 #45
Poverty killed my fast food habit. wickerwoman Dec 2014 #46
The most unhealthy thing on most fast food menus is the soft drinks GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #52
Great post. Hugin Dec 2014 #55
offer delivery service would increase profits in a HUGE way Sunlei Dec 2014 #56
Treat your workers better Demsrule86 Dec 2014 #61
Mcdonalds is way to expensive workinclasszero Dec 2014 #62
I often get a breakfast burrito and coffee for $2.05. Kablooie Dec 2014 #65
Funny you should mention that workinclasszero Dec 2014 #69
This was the point of their partnering with Chipotle a few years ago Recursion Dec 2014 #66
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