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Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:14 PM

22. "Owned" is a broad term....

 

I like the story of the Southern POW being walked by Union Artillery during the Civil war, he made the comment that "You have almost as many as these "US" cannons as we do". The Article I was reading was on the success of Southern Cavalry capturing Union Artillery pieces, but I bring it up here that the someone is claiming they "Owned" or have "Possession" of something, can include things CAPTURED by that side.

On top of this the Ukrainian Regular Army was made up of three Corps, one of which corresponds to the Russian Speaking Eastern Areas of the Ukraine. This reflects the old Soviet Policy of raising troops locally. That policy was driven in many ways, by the different languages spoken in the old Soviet Union. All orders were given in Russian, but translations into the dominate language within the unit was done.

The 6th Ukrainian Army Corp, the Army Corp in the Eastern Ukraine, had an Anti Aircraft unit attached to it, thus it is possible the missile system used to shot down this plane, came from the 6th Ukrainian Army Corp and has not been part of any Russian AA formation. Such a scenario would provide the weapon and the trained crew, AND the lack of any long range radar and information on Civilian planes (Which would be handed by longer range S-300 units). The Malaysian Plane hit was at the max range for the missile that shot it down.

Thus these may be captured unit, units transferred with a dissolution of the 6th Ukrainian Army Corp, or units provided by Russia. That it is reported that any captured units were junk, does not imply any units transferred from the 6th Ukrainian Army were junk. It also does not mean any units given to them by Russia were NOT junk (In the days of the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union often sold junk versions of their own military equipment to other nations, thus the definition of Junk can be relative).

Scary thought: This was a Ukrainian piece and it was Junk, but could still take out a Civilian Airliner, when it could NOT take down anything else. Thus when they detected the Airliner, the missile crew saw this as their chance to hit SOMETHING and fired. Given the range of the Missile, and the speed of the plane, the Missile crew had only five minutes to fire or not fire. Five minutes to decide if the plane was Military or Civilian. During times of stress that is NOT a long time.

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