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131. Her father is a shi'a cleric.

Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:18 AM

Mar 2012

Also, the "tire iron" is not necessarily the weapon used. I posted more news downthread. The police are not calling this a hate crime, yet. They aren't ruling ANYTHING out, which is sensible. They've also called in the FBI.

The husband isn't working--he used to work for the US Army, but he's on disability now. They had been living in San Diego for years--they are NOT newcomers from Michigan, the dead woman went to high school in San Diego. They recently moved to that house about two months ago, and they were renting.

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Iraqi Woman Critically Beaten in Calif. (Has Died); Threat Note Left at Scene [View all] Hissyspit Mar 2012 OP

That is horrifying. CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2012 #1

Hate radio claims another victim? freshwest Mar 2012 #2

Hate radio or hatred spewing christian fascist preacher. Citizen Worker Mar 2012 #8

The killer is definitely a terrorist with political motives. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #11

How do you know the note was real? pnwmom Mar 2012 #13

Ok...conditional on the note being real. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #19

Family reports prior similar letters, that they did not report to authorities, and El Cajon has AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2012 #34

Gun-toting, yes. But tire iron-toting? Inside someone's house? scarletwoman Mar 2012 #39

That would be an easy enough claim to make. Did they save the letter? pnwmom Mar 2012 #51

that area is a hotbed of white supremacist groups noiretextatique Mar 2012 #71

that was a polite way to say it, these are terrorist groups. olddad56 Mar 2012 #82

+1000...and may i add noiretextatique Mar 2012 #87

Link, please? YvonneCa Mar 2012 #99

try google noiretextatique Mar 2012 #101

Tom Metzger left years ago. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #103

thank you for the validation noiretextatique Mar 2012 #105

Yeah, he headed up to Oregon OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #108

LOL...i can understand why noiretextatique Mar 2012 #111

Thanks for perpetuating the... YvonneCa Mar 2012 #115

I didn't make it up. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #117

Having lived in SD County since... YvonneCa Mar 2012 #119

I for got to say: OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #109

As a fifty year SD County... YvonneCa Mar 2012 #114

Welcome to DU. n/t YvonneCa Mar 2012 #112

But on WHOSE side? Ken Burch Mar 2012 #37

The Freeper's side. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #40

That's terrible lunatica Mar 2012 #3

I thought point of the war was to give God's gift of freedom to the downtrodden Iraqis? arcane1 Mar 2012 #4

Done by the same type of scum that thinks all blacks are criminals. nt Incitatus Mar 2012 #9

And that all criminals are blacks. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #38

How disturbing and disgusting that someone could do this to another human being. Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #5

I suppose the irony sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #6

Let's not rush to judgment just yet. MADem Mar 2012 #7

Cover for an honor killing, maybe? Lasher Mar 2012 #10

Honor killers usually don't bother with a cover, though. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #15

But they do often cover up. Lasher Mar 2012 #67

Maybe the family had picked out a groom for the 17 year old daughter, and she wasn't having it? nt MADem Mar 2012 #21

That's what I'm thinking, too. (nt) scarletwoman Mar 2012 #32

If it was that, they'd kill the daughter first, not the mother. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #56

Huh? I think that's the least likely scenario. MADem Mar 2012 #58

If either of those are true, we should know pretty soon. Mariana Mar 2012 #113

Re: unlikely scenario mallard Mar 2012 #121

They weren't "displaced." MADem Mar 2012 #122

Not Likely An Honor Killing Nanjing03 Mar 2012 #63

Thanks for your firsthand account. Lasher Mar 2012 #66

Usually they are directed at wayward DAUGHTERS, though--not women who have been married for 18 years MADem Mar 2012 #80

you mean like Ontario and Michigan? cali Mar 2012 #91

Much more likely 40lbsHammer Mar 2012 #12

The daughter is the one who is speaking to the media, apparently. MADem Mar 2012 #23

Iraq has been war-torn since the '80s Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #26

The deceased has been here since she was twelve years old--she was only 32 when she was clubbed to MADem Mar 2012 #35

Um...Unless you mean we never invaded Baghdad, yes we did magical thyme Mar 2012 #70

Yes. We stopped well short of any major population centers. MADem Mar 2012 #74

That was my thought. pnwmom Mar 2012 #16

You answered your own question: because there are "so many Iraqis" there. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #102

The attack occurred in the house, and the attacker didn't do any other damage. pnwmom Mar 2012 #110

Hate-based crimes are crimes against people, not against property. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #118

Oh really? I seem to recall that there've been a number of mosques set on fire over the years. scarletwoman Mar 2012 #120

The crimes are still against the people -- it is the people that are hated, not the belongings. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #133

Right. Like vandalism is never involved in hate crimes. n/t pnwmom Mar 2012 #124

Evidence of when people are killed in a hate crime OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #134

I'd sure say it was most likely a family member, and the note was ruse. scarletwoman Mar 2012 #18

To say nothing of the fact that some odd 'terra-hater' with a tire iron going into/leaving the "new MADem Mar 2012 #22

I don't make a habit of hanging out with terra haters JoeyT Mar 2012 #55

The murderer beat the woman in her own dining room. MADem Mar 2012 #57

It's probably not as hard as you'd think. JoeyT Mar 2012 #77

It might not have even been a "guy" who did it...! MADem Mar 2012 #84

I see much more rushing to judgment JonLP24 Mar 2012 #62

No rushing--just speculating--and that caveat is explicitly stated. nt MADem Mar 2012 #75

Depends if there were signs of a break-in chrisa Mar 2012 #92

There was a broken slider in the back...but the glass was broken OUT, from INSIDE the house. MADem Mar 2012 #93

I hear you Skittles Mar 2012 #100

Another victim of what Bobby Kennedy once called Ken Burch Mar 2012 #14

We don't know anything really. pnwmom Mar 2012 #17

in honor killings, the killers usually don't make any effort Ken Burch Mar 2012 #24

The victim was almost certainly a Caldean Christian. grantcart Mar 2012 #28

Do Chaldean Christians wear the hijab? Because this woman did. scarletwoman Mar 2012 #31

Not unless some asshole fundies chase them down in the street and beat them up. MADem Mar 2012 #45

I missed that detail. grantcart Mar 2012 #46

The article said she wore a hijab. Ken Burch Mar 2012 #36

I don't think so--the Chaldean Christians resent having to wear hijab in Baghdad. MADem Mar 2012 #43

She was 12 when she came here, and fifteen when she had her daughter. MADem Mar 2012 #41

I didn't say honor killing. Plenty of men kill women and don't call it an honor killing. pnwmom Mar 2012 #49

Wow. so now you're an expert on honor killings? cali Mar 2012 #61

I just posted a couple of videos elsewhere in this thread. MADem Mar 2012 #83

Almost certainly this woman was a Caldean Christian Refugee. grantcart Mar 2012 #27

Who said this was an honor killing? pnwmom Mar 2012 #50

do Caldean Christian women wear the hijab? cali Mar 2012 #64

Only when threatened by thugs from the al-Sadr Brigade and other fundies. MADem Mar 2012 #78

no I missed that, she was definitely Muslim grantcart Mar 2012 #94

Maybe I watch too much TV, but this sounds personal Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #20

I'm thinking the same thing. scarletwoman Mar 2012 #33

That's a possiblity itsrobert Mar 2012 #54

There is video of the daughter at this link MADem Mar 2012 #79

I feel like such a heel for being so suspicious Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #88

I am trying to reconcile her demeanor with the horrific nature of the case. MADem Mar 2012 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author grantcart Mar 2012 #25

Very unlikely. Chaldeans do not wear hijab unless forced. MADem Mar 2012 #44

Just came here to post this atrocity. "welcome to America" villager Mar 2012 #29

Can't believe this is still happening in 2012. nt =( AverageJoe90 Mar 2012 #30

I wouldn't rule out a family member doing the beating itsrobert Mar 2012 #42

really? why would you conclude that? grantcart Mar 2012 #47

I didn't conclude anything itsrobert Mar 2012 #48

why rule it in as a possibility? grantcart Mar 2012 #52

Why rule it out? itsrobert Mar 2012 #53

Because while murder suicide is unfortunately increasingly common in the US grantcart Mar 2012 #60

Honor killings are not that uncommon. Beacool Mar 2012 #97

Exactly what I was thinking.. sendero Mar 2012 #65

To send a message. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #104

That was my first thought, too obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #68

A sick prick needed an excuse to murder a woman. Oh, goody. aquart Mar 2012 #59

Sounds like an honor murder. Zax2me Mar 2012 #69

Well, that was stupid of the husband, if that was the case. MADem Mar 2012 #85

No, it doesn't and those are tribal in any case, nothing to do with Islam. EFerrari Mar 2012 #116

absolutely sickening maddezmom Mar 2012 #72

Awful. This country has lost its damn mind. nt BlueIris Mar 2012 #73

OMG!!! Odin2005 Mar 2012 #76

the people who killed this woman are terrorists and belong in Gitmo... olddad56 Mar 2012 #81

Fox News is doing its job well. They ought to be proud. And we ought to be ashamed for letting valerief Mar 2012 #86

Oh damn!!! sdfernando Mar 2012 #90

Duncan Hunter. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #106

American terrorism at its finest. blackspade Mar 2012 #95

If that's who did it. cali Mar 2012 #98

I don't understand all the people on this thread who think that OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #107

because it bears out statistically cali Mar 2012 #127

The police aren't ruling anything out, either. MADem Mar 2012 #129

Don't see how that makes it not a hate crime. nt. OrwellwasRight Mar 2012 #132

Well, clearly someone hated her--we don't know who, yet. MADem Mar 2012 #135

Terrible situation. Beacool Mar 2012 #96

Many new details here: Liberty Belle Mar 2012 #123

I have some questions itsrobert Mar 2012 #125

This is probably the same list the police have already gone over. MADem Mar 2012 #130

Wait, this is a murder investigation itsrobert Mar 2012 #126

Her father is a shi'a cleric. MADem Mar 2012 #131

LATEST Information on this story. MADem Mar 2012 #128