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In reply to the discussion: Putin Claims 'Gay Nazis' Behind Ukrainian Unrest [View all]go west young man
(4,856 posts)115. Interesting that this newest propaganda doesn't actually provide proof
of Putin saying anything. It does provide an opinion of Mathew Schmidt.....link here: http://www.newhaven.edu/lee-college/national-security-experts/ But it doesn't provide proof of his assertion. I scoured the internet on both the English and Russian side and could find no evidence to back up this claim. Russian media did have an article related to a suspect in the Odessa massacre.....but once again I could find no proof of 'Professor' Schmidt's convoluted assertion. He seems to simply connect a lot of the characteristic of the Ukraine crisis with the current anti-gay atmosphere in Russia. That atmosphere does exist (sadly) and is growing more strongly (unfortunately). Here's a link to who is pushing it the most in Russia..
He is in the opposition party to Putin by the way.A couple of things about 'Professor" Schmidt...he is working for our NSA.....that speaks volumes and obviously puts his claim in a dubious light. I believe the US government wants you all fired up about the 'bogeyman' and properly distracted so they can keep the focus on Putin instead of on what they have done in Ukraine. Your being played once again. If you go to Google and do a simple search on this issue every site that covers it has this one professor making this dubious claim....not a single one has a stated quote from Putin....I'm not saying it's not possible...just that it seems another form of propaganda. One that takes advantage of the gay community in this case.
Notice how since the massacres and referendum the US media has quieted down on their rhetoric? Notice their still constant desire to frame this as about Putin and Russia and keep the public eye off what they have been doing with neo-nazi's who massacred innocent people?
A very important news story that the entire Western media establishment neglected to report on in the past few days is ....that the Donetsk "Vostok" battalion (their newest most elite fighters) captured an entire unit of Kiev soldiers (real soldiers this time, not Right sector hooligans) and took over their base. Here's the interesting part though. The soldiers gave up, once agin, without a fight. They defected to the other side and handed over 200 AK-47's, 2 BTR-80s and 1 BMP and several military trucks.
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1192919
These were real soldiers who joined the people of East Ukraine. Once again it doesn't fit the Western narrative to report this as it shows that the Kiev true military are not pro coup-junta. They are actually sensible people who are saying we will help you fight against fascists.
This must come as a blow for Washington as they are having to wake up to the reality that they will not be able to get their war on. It's not working. The true soldiers don't want the fight. That's why Right Sector was in Mariupol and Odessa and not regular troops. Regular troops won't do the indiscriminate killing. If anything the regular soldiers hate the Right Sector guys. Washington, due to it's lack of understanding of the historical cultural aspects of the region has lost the plot and can't understand why the won't fight.
In the meantime they definitely don't want to have the nation talking about neo-nazi's and the burning of 43 innocent people alive....that the Kiev media covered up.....the very same day we gave that media a few million dollars. So instead we have this gay nazi narrative and the small story of an oligarch and some steel workers.
Can't you folks see your being played? Your useful to the overall cause by our currently nefarious acting government. They need you angry so they can keep that ball in the air.....that destabilization going......Russia bad......Putin bad. Personally I'd like to see the ball drop and the curtain pulled back. It's relatively obvious to the most basic minded simpleton what's going on.
Once again if someone can provide an actual quote from Putin on what this 'professor' professes I would love to see it....till then...consider me unconvinced that this is nothing more than US blatant propaganda. It reminds me of how the government conducted a false narrative in the movie "V for Vendetta".
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Sound crazy like a movie. Unfortunately, in Putins world people are embolden to hurt/kill others
Sunlei
May 2014
#101
Ah yes, the gay Nazis. Along with the Jewish nazis and the gypsy nazis, no doubt. (n/t)
thesquanderer
May 2014
#2
I call BS. Does Ukraine have new anti-gay laws like Russia's? Do Ukrainian leaders use gays as...
uhnope
May 2014
#10
Josh, your spinning...you claimed something which I disproved twice.....
go west young man
May 2014
#142
Kindler, gentler haters who wear New Balance, Nike & NYY caps instead of jackboots and
24601
May 2014
#106
My tribute to Putin was because the overall thread was about him. His diminished incluence in
24601
May 2014
#108
Yeah but Che, you foisted that they were 'even more extreme' which is not really the case
Bluenorthwest
May 2014
#35
Actually there is a draft law ready now in Kyiv. The only thing keeping it from passing
newthinking
May 2014
#71
This coming from the guy who is always having his picture taken without a shirt on
Freddie Stubbs
May 2014
#8
Putin is as ignorant as the tea party. Doesn't he know how many gay persons dies in concentration
jwirr
May 2014
#14
HA HA. Gays cause hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, floods, droughts, fires, tsunamis, cancer,
blkmusclmachine
May 2014
#25
I don't know where they find the time, what with ruining all those straight marriage as well.
alarimer
May 2014
#66
It's funny how the Russia Boosters of DU like to say that to criticize Putin's hate speech is a form
Bluenorthwest
May 2014
#33
As usual I am deeply amused at how lumberingly bad they are at the whole thing
Bluenorthwest
May 2014
#37
That's another topic, this topic is about Putin's hateful, ignorant, backward bigotry
Bluenorthwest
May 2014
#39
I have some right wing relatives who have recently declared admiration for Putin.
dgauss
May 2014
#77
Your mistake is attempting to define an international community along your petty nationalist
Bluenorthwest
May 2014
#97
Putin claims? or did that RW USA anti-gay group that had meetings in Russia last year say that hate
Sunlei
May 2014
#100
Same Old Shit, just different times, different names. Putin is using tactics of the past, seek out
RKP5637
May 2014
#105
Interesting that this newest propaganda doesn't actually provide proof
go west young man
May 2014
#115