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freshwest

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51. Whoa, look at that rating:

Reply to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:59 PM

Apr 2014

Good debunk that won't make any headway, since the Fauxsers know best.

Of course Rand Paul always looks good to some, too.

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Kiev government powerless as east Ukraine slips out of its control [View all] dipsydoodle Apr 2014 OP

Good. It was an illegitimate govt anyway. .. truth2power Apr 2014 #1

so you're saying the Russian government is the legitimate government? CreekDog Apr 2014 #2

well, they are *a* more legit government then the current Ukranian one Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #57

Don't forget the magical coup cookies!!!!!! Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #4

Whoa, look at that rating: freshwest Apr 2014 #51

What do you figure will happen next? Will there be ballyhoo Apr 2014 #45

If the US backed the coup HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #3

What coup? nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #5

Was not an elected leader forced from office? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #8

No. He was not forced from office. And the Ukraine parliament appointed TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #10

Because the parliament voted when it was occupied by armed thugs cosmicone Apr 2014 #24

Yeah--magically, armed nazi thugs took control of the whole Parliament and TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #27

It was Victoria Nuland's magical coup cookies, I tell you! Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #28

The correct term is coup-kies. n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #30

Oh, how I've missed you. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #31

psyops/blackops by svoboda cosmicone Apr 2014 #49

So those journalists just kidnapped themselves? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #63

svoboda probably did and claimed to be Russian. n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #69

Whoo-kay. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #70

Her secret recipe turns you pro-EU. Or Nazi. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #35

Apparently to some folk, that's all one in the same. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #36

Magically armed? or literally armed Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #52

You're right. Yanukovich fled after ordering security forces not to protect government buildings pampango Apr 2014 #38

That's the the thing. No one wants him back. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #41

Yanukovych left Ukraine on his own accord and went to Russia. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #13

"it wouldn't make sense for the country to fall into complete anarchy" HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #15

Perhaps in the East. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #17

minor question for ya Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2014 #58

The IMF is far less a concern to most Ukrainians than Russia is. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #65

There is no coup. The parliament impeached Yanukovich, after he fled to Russia. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #7

Yet some call it a coup. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #12

Putin propagandists call it a coup because they don't want the Ukrainian TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #14

And of course US/EU propagandists say there was no coup... HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #16

Or because there's no evidence to support the coup theory. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #19

Ukraine’s Acting Prosecutor General: Yanukovych took $32 billion in cash to Russia Iterate Apr 2014 #40

It's possible. But also note: That attorney general is a SVOBODA leader. newthinking Apr 2014 #53

The subject was corruption and the outright theft of the national treasury as an illegal act, Iterate Apr 2014 #59

Agreed. But the current Kyiv government is still full of corrupt officials newthinking Apr 2014 #60

No sale. Iterate Apr 2014 #67

Well, that just shows newthinking Apr 2014 #71

Well, if you prefer to believe Russian sources instead TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #23

I dont believe any sources. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #32

So how do you get your information? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #33

Ukranian friends. HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #37

Yes. I am quite aware of that. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #39

There are plenty of liberal and Progressive sites reporting different viewpoints newthinking Apr 2014 #54

Liberal or not, journalists have to abide by facts and not innuendos. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #64

Ukraine (at least the western half) wanted to join the EU. Yanukovich promised that TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #34

Exactly. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #18

The parliament did not legally impeach him. Xithras Apr 2014 #20

Of course, when your own President skips town (or more accurately, skips country).... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #21

Yes, but it has to be addressed legally. Xithras Apr 2014 #48

It's hard to say how much the Parliament could adhere to the constitution TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #22

It is also hard to say how under duress the opposition was after having their families threatened newthinking Apr 2014 #55

I guess Nuland's coup-kies were neither tasty cosmicone Apr 2014 #25

So, there it is: Russia owns the East, the West joins NATO. geek tragedy Apr 2014 #6

The West is an economic basket case cosmicone Apr 2014 #26

Thanks for the update. blackspade Apr 2014 #9

Of which "right wing thugs" are you referring? nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #11

The ones storming and occupying government buildings in eastern Ukraine. blackspade Apr 2014 #46

It is basically civil war. This is what happens. The first to fight are the most extreme newthinking Apr 2014 #56

That is not exactly true. blackspade Apr 2014 #62

Not a complete civil war. The Russian seperatists don't enjoy a lot of public support. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #66

Ukrainian Policemen Stand By As Pro-Russian Separatists Seize Control bemildred Apr 2014 #29

No a good sign Supersedeas Apr 2014 #72

It isn't entirely helpless. Igel Apr 2014 #42

Nailed It In One, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #43

Sounds about right--a few Ukrainian public figures shot in the back, or TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #44

Bingo! blackspade Apr 2014 #47

The last thing in the interests of the Ukrainian government would be a civilian blood bath. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #68

bump... nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #50

I suspect they could "regain control" if they were willing to flatten it as Putin did to Chechnya. pampango Apr 2014 #61