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Fortinbras Armstrong

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28. The problem seems to me that Obama is ignoring the law for purely political reasons
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 01:28 PM
Mar 2014

Torture is prohibited under 18 USC § 2340. See also § 2340A, which says that those who order the torture are just as culpable. I should mention the Supreme Court case of Wilkerson v. Utah, 99 U.S. 130 (1879). Justice Clifford, in delivering the opinion of the Court, said:

Difficulty would attend the effort to define with exactness the extent of the constitutional provision which provides that cruel and unusual punishments shall not be inflicted; but it is safe to affirm that punishments of torture, such as those mentioned by the commentator referred to, and all others in the same line of unnecessary cruelty, are forbidden by that amendment to the Constitution.


(The "commenter" is Blackstone.)

There is also the UN Convention Against Torture, to which the US is a signatory. See in particular Article 1 and Article 16.

Had I been Obama, I would have said, in the first or second day of my presidency, "I am instructing the Attorney General to see if charges against former President Bush and former Vice President Cheney should be brought under 18 USC § 2340 and § 2340A (insert an explanation of these laws). If, as I expect, the Attorney General finds that charges should be brought, they will be. I realize that this action will be very unpopular in some quarters. However, I must emphasize that NO ONE is above the law. There is a legal maxim going back to the ancient Romans, Fiat justitia ruat caelum -- 'Let justice be done though the heavens fall.'"

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I guess those Dem Senators just don't understand Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #1
Remember, to be a powerful President, you must feign utter powerlessness in the face of villager Mar 2014 #26
Of course he won't montanacowboy Mar 2014 #2
How can you attack our President so irresponsibly? Dem4ever27 Mar 2014 #5
Hello. bigwillq Mar 2014 #7
Beneath him to uphold the rule of law? JoeyT Mar 2014 #9
Like it was beneath him to put thieving banksters in jail? jtuck004 Mar 2014 #14
I have a feeling you are not joking. There is a huge different between "skewer[ing]" a former rhett o rick Mar 2014 #22
I second that feeling. n/t crim son Mar 2014 #30
There's the triangulating Obama I know I wish didn't speak. Thanks for (not) reigning in another Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #3
Says their lawyers. Fearless Mar 2014 #4
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that he would try to finesse this problem tularetom Mar 2014 #6
Holy #%^* MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #8
In other words, "please let them resolve this themselves cause I sure don't want to be involved!" riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #10
Pretty much. 840high Mar 2014 #11
Looks as if Maureen Dowd was right. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #12
Courageous stand 1000words Mar 2014 #13
He wont get involved because he told us to look forward frwrfpos Mar 2014 #15
Question might be dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #16
I see what he did there. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #17
Undermining torture investigations is how Obama rolls. OnyxCollie Mar 2014 #18
Only acting under orders is so WW2 dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #19
"Change" you can beLIEve in, bay-bee! blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #20
He's worried about the voters' "meh" attitude in the midterms Doctor_J Mar 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Mar 2014 #23
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #24
Wouldn't be prudent. jsr Mar 2014 #25
Well, now we know where he stands Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #27
The problem seems to me that Obama is ignoring the law for purely political reasons Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #28
"Wading into it" is his JOB. n/t Psephos Mar 2014 #29
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