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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 13, 2012, 01:37 AM

49. For a long time they didn't try to "oust their bastard(s)"

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Are you saying the Syrians were complicit then? By your logic, they were merely negligent or complicit in the decades before this when their country had no freedom and they weren't rebelling. Also by your logic, I'm complicit or irresponsible unless I put myself in eminent threat of death. Won't all of the most responsible people have the highest mortality rate? Is that really sound, Darwinistic judgment?

I use Syria as an extreme example, and I thought my point couldn't be missed with it: if someone is within the collective entity of a country and is called a citizen, that doesn't mean they are responsible for anything the government does.

Syria's people have not had control of their government in our lifetime. The government didn't even pretend they had a say. So, now they're putting their lives on the line, and I don't denigrate, but admire their sacrifices.

"We," that are people who are not so so manipulated by racism, destructive or empty promises, homophobia and so on, have lost control of this government. For "we" meaning all citizens and residents collectively, propaganda is one instrument to neutralize the manipulate. It is very powerful, and every human being is vulnerable to it. Even extremely well-educated people can fall for it.

And for people who it doesn't manipulate, it neutralizes, meaning that the latter are not in power.

Americans, or I guess, those of us on the left, flap our hands about it because it's very perilous and the stakes are high, not just us. Revolutions in the 20th century had a very discouraging record. It seems to lose is horrible and to win might just be worse unless you watch your step.

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