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Ace Acme

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215. You have changed the subject from your false claim
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 04:13 PM
Dec 2013

... that truthers think the buildings should have toppled like trees (from the bottom) to a different issue--the rotation of the top "block" in one of the towers.

This is typical behavior of yours. When you're shown to be FOS in one issue you change the subject to another issue to try to give the impression that you weren't FoS.

"Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) & Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #1
Imagine your buddies has unlimited loot... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #94
As long as we're talking about rich Muslims Ace Acme Dec 2013 #103
"The Muslim world" TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #105
I wasn't talking about the Muslim World. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #106
I must have misread your post... TroglodyteScholar Dec 2013 #109
I guess that just proves that, as I said, I don't get it. :>) Ace Acme Dec 2013 #114
An Arab Prince wrote the City of NY a check for $10MM Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #153
He's the one who was building the ground zero mosque, and he's been the #2 shareholder of NewsCorp. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #177
Its all about the Benjamins and the Carlisle Connection warrant46 Dec 2013 #233
Hmmmmm. Seems like there's more there than one might imagine... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #245
Birds of a feather---- flock---- warrant46 Dec 2013 #247
Indeed. Here's an interesting article... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #249
These guys are obviously petrosexuals n/t eridani Dec 2013 #127
Still funny ^^^^This^^^^ Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #237
What is on the recacted pages riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #2
PNAC PNAC PNAC PNAC That is the document that spelled it out. And the bush crime family loudsue Dec 2013 #17
don't forget the Bin Ladens also! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #45
Zzactly. Bin Ladens are the biggest construction co. for the Saudi royal family. loudsue Dec 2013 #55
The bin Laden's that were partners with HW Bush in a militiary supply company - Carlyle? lark Dec 2013 #138
Bin Ladens were in town on 9/11 for a board meeting with Bush, Sr. and the Carlyle Group. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #154
PNAC's Open LETTER TO CLINTON - Run-up to War Officially Began in 1998 _ a brief synopsis... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #175
The only media personality I recall discussing the Saudi Royals involvement VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #3
Larry King mainstreetonce Dec 2013 #18
No no no...that is NOT what I am talking about... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #21
Yes it was Senator Graham... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #23
Inquiring minds can't help but wonder who all are being protected in those redacted pages, indepat Dec 2013 #57
That's none of your business! Government business is government business, and none of yours! nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #84
The bidness of America is bidness and the bidness of government is to nurture and indepat Dec 2013 #98
Republicon OCCULTISM works to keep America in the dark about 9/11 Berlum Dec 2013 #112
As soon as the FIRST plane hit, huh? How very interesting. Raksha Dec 2013 #311
New to me, too. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #315
You might be able to check mainstreetonce Dec 2013 #340
Bush was protecting his relationship with the Saudi princes? Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #4
No, just one big coincidence. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #58
Actually, the airspace had just reopened KamaAina Dec 2013 #76
Actually, I think you are wrong Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #248
If I'm wrong, the 9/11 Commission was, too KamaAina Dec 2013 #251
Well, fu k them. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #252
Please see... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #253
...So many 'coincidences' surrounding the entire matter. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #223
And don't forget that 1 plane was supposed to hit the white house LiberalArkie Dec 2013 #377
Pretty sure it would have been the Capitol. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #378
+1 Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #134
Powell's inability to convince the UN should have clued Americans in. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #155
During those days there was an atmosphere of fear among politicians & journalists,... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #217
I think the framework can be found in the PNAC documents, and the implementation Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #156
likely grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #332
Don't question authority Ezlivin Dec 2013 #5
Exactly billhicks76 Dec 2013 #12
The so so-called "Truthers" generally claim that the Saudis didn't do 9-11 cpwm17 Dec 2013 #20
It seems you're not interested in what really happened, not interested in government secrecy, Ace Acme Dec 2013 #22
Very Eloquent billhicks76 Dec 2013 #52
Actually those who are seeking the truth about 9/11 Ezlivin Dec 2013 #26
I don't believe in any "official story" cpwm17 Dec 2013 #41
Nonsense! a truther(as I am) merely knows we were lied to and wants the truth! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #46
+1 simple as that BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #48
I'm not a truther and I know we were lied to cpwm17 Dec 2013 #49
And it seems that all you're interested in is truthers being wrong. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #56
you're correct that you're not a truther.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #81
thank you wildbill barbtries Dec 2013 #141
A "Truther" comes with a whole lot of baggage cpwm17 Dec 2013 #168
On Planet Cpwm, a "truther" comes with a whole lot of baggage Ace Acme Dec 2013 #169
yada yada, blah blah! thanks for your opinion... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #173
Doesn't it raise your suspicions when emotional rhetoric is developed which is intended to... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #176
They are self described as "truthers" cpwm17 Dec 2013 #178
I don't believe you are correct. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #179
Visit the Creative Speculation Group cpwm17 Dec 2013 #180
I'm familiar with that forum and also with... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #181
911Truth.org loses all credibility when they promote nonsense cpwm17 Dec 2013 #191
Really? Indi Guy Dec 2013 #192
Obviously they are promoting demolitions of the buildings cpwm17 Dec 2013 #193
That's all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #194
Gravity pulls towards the center of mass of an object cpwm17 Dec 2013 #195
Gravity pulls toward the center of mass of the system, i.e., the earth. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #197
That's not what I experienced at all. AZCat Dec 2013 #201
Most structural engineers were surprised when the towers fell, says NOVA. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #211
That's not my experience. AZCat Dec 2013 #218
Maybe the engineers you've talked to are afraid to challenge groupthink? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #224
Engineers are no better than any other group of people - maybe worse. AZCat Dec 2013 #256
40 PhD engineers in AE911Truth are calling for new investigations. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #258
Lots, probably. AZCat Dec 2013 #260
Probably. IOW, you can't name anyone. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #261
It's not really that interesting a question for me. AZCat Dec 2013 #263
Right, you're more comfortable with your evidence-free assumptions. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #265
Actually, it's those versed in "truther" pseudo-science William Seger Dec 2013 #202
Nobody says that buildings injured at the top should topple from the bottom. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #208
LOL, when I was a little kid... William Seger Dec 2013 #214
You have changed the subject from your false claim Ace Acme Dec 2013 #215
Bullshit William Seger Dec 2013 #216
You said in post 202 "toppled over like trees". Trees topple from the bottom. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #219
I respect your stance on the events of that day... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #199
The towers looked nothing like controlled demolitions cpwm17 Dec 2013 #203
I think you've got things a little backward here. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #205
It's bat-shit crazy to believe that the buildings were taken down by demolitions cpwm17 Dec 2013 #207
Why do you think access was impossible? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #212
I have made no claims other than to question yours,... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #213
Your take on the physical evidence is radically dogmatic... mallard Dec 2013 #325
So it appears that you disagree with the OP and Sen. Bob Graham cpwm17 Dec 2013 #331
Just a couple of things for now... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #333
Neither of those is that surprising, really. AZCat Dec 2013 #338
For the time being... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #339
Are you arguing that materials can be determined from colors in photos? AZCat Dec 2013 #350
So you are claiming that Professors of Engineering don't know steel when they see it? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #345
Anybody can be mistaken, no matter what the qualifications. AZCat Dec 2013 #353
What about melting of girders do you not understand? Do you think there were lead girders? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #355
Narratives are one thing, hard evidence another. AZCat Dec 2013 #356
Indeed they are. Which is why NIST's narrative is an unacceptable substitute for hard evidence. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #362
Gosh, if only they had hard evidence. AZCat Dec 2013 #364
The 10,000 pages contain only a one-paragraph narration of the propagation of the collapse Ace Acme Dec 2013 #366
It has more than that. AZCat Dec 2013 #367
Oh, so it's two paragraphs? It's been a while since I've looked at it. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #370
At the link you posted... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #373
The Scientific Method Ace Acme Dec 2013 #375
Thank you for responding. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #376
Large aircraft struck the towers. The towers fell down. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #343
It appears that you don't read very carefully. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #347
It appears that you mistook my response to cpwm for a response to you. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #349
I owe you an apology. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #351
Not at all. You made an understandable error. The non-indented posts are confusing. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #357
There's a way to view sub-threads that shows indenting. AZCat Dec 2013 #358
There was nothing chaotic about the towers' collapse. The order is the surprising thing. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #209
Well stated. Also, although it's obvious that WTC7 fell virtually at free fall speed as well... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #221
Too many advocates of 9/11 conspiracy theories make repulsive (and unconvincing) claims of proof. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #225
Yes; and on the other side of the coin... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #226
And the twenty-two witnesses who heard explosions and saw the cracks they caused Th1onein Dec 2013 #230
That is remarkable testimony BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #232
This is interesting... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #235
Very Interesting thanks!...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #240
Checkout... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #241
I wonder why there is no similar august body of architects, physic experts, and engineers Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #243
Common sense demands that... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #244
It's common sense to ask that the government deliver the objectives of the reports. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #246
From everything I've read... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #250
Most of the relevant professional organizations agree with the conclusions of the NIST. AZCat Dec 2013 #257
Failing to dispute the conclusions is hardly agreeing with the conclusions. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #259
I'm not going to bet, because it's not that interesting a consideration. AZCat Dec 2013 #262
I don't need to know anything about dynamic loading. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #264
You don't? Then why are you making claims about it? AZCat Dec 2013 #267
Please respond to post # 266 n/t Indi Guy Dec 2013 #268
Please have a little patience. n/t AZCat Dec 2013 #271
I'm not. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #269
That's not what your post says. AZCat Dec 2013 #273
It must be pretty damned interesting because it keeps..... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #382
Since you edited to include another section after I responded... AZCat Dec 2013 #274
How can organizations concur with conclusions NIST has refused to publish? Indi Guy Dec 2013 #266
That isn't the conclusions. AZCat Dec 2013 #270
What about the thermal expansion calcs that NIST refused to release on grounds of public safety? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #275
Again, you should refrain from discussing topics out of your bailiwick. AZCat Dec 2013 #277
There is no reason for me to do calculations NIST refuses to release. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #279
Again, your logic is bizarre. AZCat Dec 2013 #281
The reality is that their calcs have not been released. No check on that is necesary. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #282
Sure it is. AZCat Dec 2013 #283
They haven't checked that the calcs have been released, because they haven't been. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #285
They've checked by doing their own work. All competent professionals should... AZCat Dec 2013 #287
Doing their own work is not releasing the calcs. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #289
I think you've lost the thread of this conversation. AZCat Dec 2013 #291
Does the fact that NIST won't release data which appear to be crucial to their conclusions... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #278
I don't remember saying I agreed with the NIST. AZCat Dec 2013 #280
Thanks for the honest explanations & responses to my questions. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #284
I would hope the NIST's info is better quality. AZCat Dec 2013 #286
NIST's WTC7 models bear no resemblance to reality. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #288
Interestingly enough, I was surprised when the NIST modelled the collapse. AZCat Dec 2013 #290
Yeah, the real collapse turned out to be simpler than a tortured, complicated model. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #292
How many times do I need to remind you it's not a good idea... AZCat Dec 2013 #293
It's not simple to someone who labors to complicate it, that's for certain. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #295
That doesn't make any sense. AZCat Dec 2013 #302
That makes perfect sense. Lawyers labor to complicate every issue to gain advantage Ace Acme Dec 2013 #303
Why are we talking about lawyers? AZCat Dec 2013 #309
Because some of us around here act like public-spirited citizens seeking investigations` Ace Acme Dec 2013 #316
To which group belong the posters who think they know something about physics... AZCat Dec 2013 #318
Claiming mistakes is not noting them. You make empty claims. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #320
You posted a definition of kinetic energy, claiming that was the energy equation. AZCat Dec 2013 #322
I posted the equation for kinetic energy. You're playing some juvenile game. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #334
I'm not the one pretending to know something about a subject... AZCat Dec 2013 #337
Obsessive posting of empty claims makes a guy look foolish. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #346
That's why my claims aren't empty. AZCat Dec 2013 #352
Your claims aren't empty to you. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #361
Unsubstantiated in what way? AZCat Dec 2013 #363
Unsubstantiated in that your assertions reference no authority but that of an Ace Acme Dec 2013 #365
I don't rely on my authority. AZCat Dec 2013 #368
You expect me to. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #371
I'm curious. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #372
Really, NIST published this as their model of how WTC 7 went down? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #304
Also note, they cut off the animation before the collapse is finished. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #305
I think you're making much ado about nothing. AZCat Dec 2013 #307
NIST's implicit admission that their analysis is inconsistent with laws of physics is nothing? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #312
I think you're reading too much into this. AZCat Dec 2013 #317
Given your apparent emotional investment in the notion of NIST's integrity, no surprise there. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #319
What investment is that? AZCat Dec 2013 #321
Oh, you haven't spent many years here bullying people who question the official reports? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #323
No, I haven't. AZCat Dec 2013 #324
Making empty claims that I have a poor grasp of physics is not bullying? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #326
Making empty claims might be. AZCat Dec 2013 #327
What is the reality? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #328
I think that's a false construct. AZCat Dec 2013 #329
Sorry, but I have to chime in here. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #330
I didn't say you shouldn't consider that it might lie. AZCat Dec 2013 #336
I get that; but... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #341
You can always question. In fact, it's an important component... AZCat Dec 2013 #354
On the basis of protecting democracy alone Ace Acme Dec 2013 #359
While I'm not out demonstrating in the streets... AZCat Dec 2013 #360
Public safety??? Indi Guy Dec 2013 #369
It's a lost cause, in my opinion. AZCat Dec 2013 #310
Thanks for sharing. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #314
You're welcome, by the way. n/t AZCat Dec 2013 #294
Yeah, we're so lucky to have someone here who knows all the secrets of all the secret modeling Ace Acme Dec 2013 #296
I'm not sure where you get these ridiculous notions. AZCat Dec 2013 #297
You forgot post 280? Did someone else write it? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #299
Then why didn't you respond to that instead of #294? AZCat Dec 2013 #300
'Cause I like to think I'm cutting edge, looking forward, not back. Y'know? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #306
That isn't consistent with your posting history, in my opinion. AZCat Dec 2013 #308
If you don't know that cutting edge often involves very old stuff Ace Acme Dec 2013 #313
Oooo! Oooo! I know! I know! Ace Acme Dec 2013 #272
That's a strange approach. AZCat Dec 2013 #276
Wow, and here's the 911 truth dot org site publishing an article on the Saudis Th1onein Dec 2013 #229
That is a very interesting and pertinent article. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #254
Condi lied under oath when she claimed that the "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" memo Ace Acme Dec 2013 #51
Government officials, like everybody else, lie to cover their own butts cpwm17 Dec 2013 #59
So at 2:30 you claim that truthers can't show that the government lied Ace Acme Dec 2013 #71
She Lied About This Too billhicks76 Dec 2013 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author Ace Acme Dec 2013 #53
You mean the evidence that the government wants you to believe, don't you? Th1onein Dec 2013 #228
Not One Unified View billhicks76 Dec 2013 #50
there's more than one set of questions about 9/11 & more than one person asking or trying to answer yurbud Dec 2013 #144
"Truthers," as the name implies, are demanding the truth from our government. Th1onein Dec 2013 #227
Brilliant post .. Lenomsky Dec 2013 #27
Of course. How can this possibly be such a surprise closeupready Dec 2013 #6
of course the saudis are responsible they wanted the troops we had there at the airbase leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #7
Old news.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #8
Great clip, but it says nothing about the news in the OP that... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #15
There's always THIS... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #19
Once again... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #29
Considering the Bush / FOX "News" / Saudi relationship I figure there are SEVERAL smoking guns. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #43
it was more than that. yurbud Dec 2013 #101
Well sure it was. Suicide crazies are made to order there. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #102
aren't you at least a little curious what went on with the Saudi gov't and 9/11, given that the whol yurbud Dec 2013 #123
I get that the Republicans run by Cheney used 9/11 as if it was a gift.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #140
does it matter to you whether they just "used" it versus at minimum protecting those actually guilty yurbud Dec 2013 #142
Sure, but every time anyone mentions actions against the Saudis we hear they're too big to fail. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #145
What they did needs to at least be made clear, so the public can evaluate whether "too big to fail" yurbud Dec 2013 #147
There are some people in this country who believe it was Hollywood Liberals. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #148
the bigger they are, the more they need to take a fall for their crimes yurbud Dec 2013 #170
The bigger they are, the more people WANT to see them fall. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #222
Here's former senator with first-hand knowledge, Bob Graham on the same matter: BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #9
Good post... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #238
And I still say packman Dec 2013 #10
"You think I want to send my son to die in Kuwait?" KansDem Dec 2013 #11
2003 CBS report claims the 28 pages are about Saudi involvement Ace Acme Dec 2013 #13
Tim Osman! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #54
If wikileaks or anonymous were to release anything, these 28 pages would be it... Javaman Dec 2013 #14
From your lips to Anonymous/Wikileaks ears. loudsue Dec 2013 #31
Wikileaks declared a long time ago that they don't do 9/11. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #34
I can understand their position. loudsue Dec 2013 #38
This is the reason why CTs linger about 9/11 blackspade Dec 2013 #16
That, and the fact that it would have been near impossible for one guy to bring four planes down FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #161
Didn't Bush stroll down the lane holding hands Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #24
Kissed him, too. loudsue Dec 2013 #32
Isn't that what's done... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #118
In this particular case, it was America that got screwed. nt Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #157
Conspiracies don't exist, there is nothing to see, here, go back to sleep. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #25
Thanks Joe. For the record... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #117
There are many unanswered questions regarding the events of 9/11 debunkthis Dec 2013 #28
I'll debunk that. Those cuts were made in the cleanup process by a thermal lance. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #30
Holy shit AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #35
I don't think so. I'm on the side of truth. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #36
Uh-huh. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #37
That is a first responder in the lower left image debunkthis Dec 2013 #39
Firefighters were present at all stages of debris removal. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #40
Ok then debunkthis Dec 2013 #63
Define 'just after the collapse'. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #64
What that shows is not an angle-cut column but a perimeter column module perched at the top Ace Acme Dec 2013 #75
Hmmm... debunkthis Dec 2013 #110
and with that, Truthy to POWER! snooper2 Dec 2013 #131
There's a lot of nonsense floating around the internet--and a lot of the 9/11 stuff is like Ace Acme Dec 2013 #136
LOL, I know all about Richard Gage- just like his buddy Alex Jones snooper2 Dec 2013 #137
A PhD structural engineer can not refute criticisms of his report and must resort Ace Acme Dec 2013 #143
Dude or Dudette, you folks have had over a decade now---You got nothing snooper2 Dec 2013 #146
So now you change the subject from Dr. Sunder's apparent inability to refute criticism Ace Acme Dec 2013 #149
Good post. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #120
got a link for that ? questionseverything Dec 2013 #158
Here you go Ace Acme Dec 2013 #159
all those links say is questionseverything Dec 2013 #164
The meme that the collapse was caused by the planes hitting was put out quickly: Th1onein Dec 2013 #231
That was awkward. thanks ! Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #242
Boring attempt. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #33
Here's a better challenge for you. WTC 7 collapse BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #70
You are distracting from an actual issue. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #74
The Distraction is Pertinent Ace Acme Dec 2013 #82
The Saudi revelations/redactions are a political issue, relevant regardless of whether AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #85
Doubts about the integrity of an official gov't report during a time of politicized science Ace Acme Dec 2013 #87
Not hijacking it was also my intent. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #89
The very fact of the redactions to the official government report... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #121
I OPd on DU about the Saudi issue weeks ago. And I'm free to discuss anything I want BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #88
You are free to state anything you want. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #91
Indeed. And yes, you are free to dismiss my statement. BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #95
ty... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #90
that's a different kind of issue than who actually funded and coordinated the attacks and why they yurbud Dec 2013 #124
k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #42
The Bushes and the Bin Ladens have been doing business together for decades! N/T wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #44
If our government is going to deliberately hide the truth Bradical79 Dec 2013 #47
That seems like a reasonable statement. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #139
According to those who talk shit to CT's, the gov't NEVER lies, everything has been reported & mother earth Dec 2013 #60
Ah, the very definition of a strawman takes shape and rises under it's own power, so large AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #61
Crusader, where's your super hero outfit? The one with the big "S" for sucker. nt mother earth Dec 2013 #65
Surely you can offer just one post from a 'person who shits on CT'rs' that exhibits the elements you AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #66
The blade is dull, AC. You disappoint, and clearly you don't pay attention. nt mother earth Dec 2013 #68
So, no link then. I thought not. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #69
You are always right, that's why you are a superhero. mother earth Dec 2013 #72
Your original assertion remains a strawman. They are not difficult to set on fire. Simply ask for AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #73
I need evidence, but when evidence is hidden away by the gov't, it's completely unnecessary. mother earth Dec 2013 #77
You have none, because no one makes the ridiculous claims you fabricated here. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #78
I've been told that personally in other encounters, specifically the JFK threads of late, not that I mother earth Dec 2013 #79
A link will do. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #80
Who TF are you to demand anything of me? You've got big ones, for sure. mother earth Dec 2013 #83
You made a broad brush attack, a very specific one, against a group of DU members. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #86
Post 41 in this very thread. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #93
And what I wrote is the exact opposite of the claim cpwm17 Dec 2013 #107
OK, my misreading. Confirmation bias is a terrible thing. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #125
That post is accurate. Truther's did not uncover this set of documents. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #119
Truthers are the only ones educating people about them. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #182
Right, that totally explains why the International Business Times ran the story. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #183
Ran what story? When? Did they point out that Condi lied under oath? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #184
They. Ran. The. Story. In. The. Op. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #186
They haven't uncovered the documents. They're still redacted--as truthers have been pointing out Ace Acme Dec 2013 #189
This type of story is an extremely rare occurrence in the MSM... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #185
WaPo's Dana Priest explained the rationale they operate under Ace Acme Dec 2013 #187
I posted these thoughts earlier, but I think they might also be appropriate here... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #188
US media's coverage of 9/11 has been consistently awful noise Dec 2013 #196
I posted this earlier, but it applies directly to what you're saying: Indi Guy Dec 2013 #220
The awful media coverage noise Dec 2013 #234
That's a lie.-nt Bradical79 Dec 2013 #150
It's a pretty fair description of the quality of argument that the "debunkers" employ Ace Acme Dec 2013 #152
That's pretty interesting. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #62
I doubt anything would. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #67
Ohh exciting, I can't wait to hear what bandar bush was up to...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #92
We already know that his wife was writing checks for benefactors of known al Qaeda agents Ace Acme Dec 2013 #97
We're not likely to know anything soon. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #190
I'm impressed a Republican is onboard yurbud Dec 2013 #99
Walter Jones is one of the very few Good Repugs..... KoKo Dec 2013 #111
We attacked one country that had nothing to do with 9/11 & one that was at worst terrorists... yurbud Dec 2013 #100
Taliban was one of 13 foreign countries that warned us before 9/11. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #104
and..... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #115
I guess you disagree with this OP concerning Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11 cpwm17 Dec 2013 #129
Sy Hersh did the definitive story on the bug out at Tora Bora yurbud Dec 2013 #122
I remember Hersh on the Kunduz Airlift. Not so much on Tora Bora. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #126
Remember bin Laden's AQ Fortress at Tora Bora? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #162
yep--I remember later stories that most caves were just deep enough to get out of sight for a minute yurbud Dec 2013 #171
Still believe that the bin Ladens were flying around looking for cheap American land to buy on 9/11 blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #108
And horses. And land for horses. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #113
The time has come. That no Congresscritter went into that "Secret Room" KoKo Dec 2013 #116
K&R! Omaha Steve Dec 2013 #128
This is the time of pretension polynomial Dec 2013 #130
I wish I shared your optimism 2banon Dec 2013 #198
I linked the recent interview of Bob Graham upthread BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #200
Charlie Rose bemoans faltering relationship with Saudi Arabia 2banon Dec 2013 #210
Here's a connection worth looking into... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #342
Is Ptech the connection you were referring to? 2banon Dec 2013 #344
Indeed. Indi Guy Dec 2013 #348
"Move along. Nothing to see here." - CorporateMedia Borg, Inc. (R - Propaganda Catapult) Berlum Dec 2013 #132
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #133
All this dirty Saudi laundry should have been aired out JEB Dec 2013 #135
Mucho wow!! El Shaman Dec 2013 #151
I'll raise your mucho, with a grande wow! Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #163
Howard Dean mused on whether Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11 . . . . Ace Acme Dec 2013 #166
If 9/11 had happened on Obama's watch with the same action/reactions, I guarantee you that Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #167
Some would say that... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #206
My theory posted for the first time anywhere. Soundman Dec 2013 #160
According to FEMA's zipper-pancake theory that was conventional engineering wisdom for 3 years Ace Acme Dec 2013 #165
Nice you could send anyone who was involved to private prisons or tortured, ooops they drowned mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #172
Daniel Hopsicker.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #174
He must be embarrassed by the "freedom fries" BlueToTheBone Dec 2013 #204
Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #236
Senator Bob Graham and 9/11 Commissioners Bob Kerry, Max Cleland, Lee Hamilton, and Tom Kean... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #239
9-11 was about selfish, right-wing, bloodsucking parasites in the Middle East cpwm17 Dec 2013 #379
There are a number of points I'd like to discuss with you here... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #380
doesn't look like he's going to touch it eh? wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #383
Thanks for viewing these short clips. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #384
I've been arguing with.... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #385
Thanks. Indi Guy Jan 2014 #386
absolutely! wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #389
and a kick! eom. wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #255
I'm curious to know what the Congressmen think our relationship should be now, TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #298
There's more. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #301
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I'm still trying to get a response... Indi Guy Dec 2013 #374
UPDATE... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #381
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2014 #387
CIA Threatens 9/11 Researchers After Discovery Of Cover Up Details... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #388
Well, the producers should have known that... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #390
what is your take on this please? wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #391
Clearly the colonel is believable,... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #392
thanks... wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #393
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