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Orrex

(63,203 posts)
59. The fact that copyright predates filesharing is irrelevant
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:23 PM
Feb 2012

As a concept, it can be and has been adapted to apply to modern notions of authorship and ownership. Your refusal to accept this is both curious and informative. What you call "being logical and pragmatic" is really just a shorthand way of saying "because I can get it for free, I am entitled to get it for free."

The sharing of information is fine, so long as that information isn't protected under copyright. Perhaps "digital copying and sharing are ways of disseminating information," but they don't trump copyright.

Broadening the argument to encompass epistemology is simply an effort to distract from the actual discussion at hand. It would be like trying to get out of a speeding ticket by claiming that there is no absolute inertial frame. And if we go the route that you're suggesting, then plagiarism ceases to exist as a concept, as do authorship and ownership. If you're prepared to embark on that journey I say more power to you, but I'd be curious to see what you propose in place of these concepts.


And why are you bringing up a lobbying organization or a massive industry except perhaps as an oblique ad hominem or an attempt to blur the issue? Neither is relevant here.

I thought blockbuster went out of business years ago. They all went out of business in my are of Justice wanted Feb 2012 #1
I thought so too. sakabatou Feb 2012 #26
I thought the same thing. . . BigDemVoter Feb 2012 #67
Thats great and all OverDone Feb 2012 #68
nope. Lots and lots of big ones in Los Angeles. Surrounded by them. Liberal_in_LA Feb 2012 #70
What's a 'Blockbuster Store?' onehandle Feb 2012 #2
You could go in and hire a magic lantern Ebadlun Feb 2012 #3
Cool. The last century must have been simply magical. nt onehandle Feb 2012 #31
Best laff of the week! FredStembottom Feb 2012 #42
My goodness. Wonders never cease! n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2012 #69
agreed IamK Feb 2012 #9
End of an era. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #4
But a major... ummm OverDone Feb 2012 #15
I imagine that the loss of video stores contributes to a lot of free downloading. harmonicon Feb 2012 #24
Because it's theft? Orrex Feb 2012 #28
Really? harmonicon Feb 2012 #32
Who owns the copyright? Orrex Feb 2012 #36
You did just make the "home taping is killing music" argument. harmonicon Feb 2012 #43
If copyright holders choose not to exercise theiir copyright, that's their business Orrex Feb 2012 #48
I think you're missing my point. harmonicon Feb 2012 #50
"theft as an abstract idea outside of its relevance to capitalism" Orrex Feb 2012 #52
Copyright concerns authorship apart from profit. harmonicon Feb 2012 #53
In order to support you position, you are resorting to equivocation Orrex Feb 2012 #54
I feel like I'm the one advocating a modern definition of copyright. harmonicon Feb 2012 #56
The copyright owner most certainly does own the copies Orrex Feb 2012 #57
Perhaps I'm a radical, but I think I'm just being logical and pragmatic. harmonicon Feb 2012 #58
The fact that copyright predates filesharing is irrelevant Orrex Feb 2012 #59
I bring up the lobbying groups for a simple reason: harmonicon Feb 2012 #60
Instead of Leonard Cohen, ask the question about Jimmy Buffett Orrex Feb 2012 #61
You have some facts wrong here. harmonicon Feb 2012 #64
Then why did you ask about performing someone else's song, except as a distraction? Orrex Feb 2012 #65
I don't think you're understanding the arguments I'm trying to make... harmonicon Feb 2012 #71
It's not that I don't understand you or that I'm unfamiliar with the subject Orrex Feb 2012 #72
I'm interested in your question. Boojatta Feb 2012 #66
In the End OverDone Feb 2012 #62
Because the people that made the film deserve remuneration for their efforts. nt Codeine Feb 2012 #45
Yes, and that's why I like video stores. nt. harmonicon Feb 2012 #46
True, and they will get it OverDone Feb 2012 #51
Mom and pops in the '80's PDittie Feb 2012 #29
I remember those mom and pop stores Broderick Feb 2012 #44
Good old mom and pop stores OverDone Feb 2012 #47
I miss video stores. It was fun rummaging around and finding offbeat titles. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2012 #5
The Fun of going to find a movie OverDone Feb 2012 #7
And there was the room in the back with all the porn tapes FarCenter Feb 2012 #22
That's when you stumble across the offbeat stuff. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2012 #34
He did the same thing with "Voom". Used them as a stepping stone to aquire the satellite, then still_one Feb 2012 #6
That Was Always The Plan otohara Feb 2012 #8
Online is great and everything OverDone Feb 2012 #10
The content providers actually want all digital content MicaelS Feb 2012 #12
I love Steam. christx30 Feb 2012 #18
That's what the big content owners are trying to do with movies... progress2k12nbynd Feb 2012 #20
The one time christx30 Feb 2012 #23
I reuse my gardening books and that's about it Kolesar Feb 2012 #30
Less Trash & Natural Resources otohara Feb 2012 #41
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2012 #11
The last one... blue_onyx Feb 2012 #13
video rental stores are as obsolete as renting TV sets alp227 Feb 2012 #14
Ha. I remember in the 1980's you could rent VCR's joeglow3 Feb 2012 #16
Soory no one is that old here OverDone Feb 2012 #17
I still have "records", mostly 33, few 78, with a record player, and I ain't getting rid of them.. northoftheborder Feb 2012 #40
Early 90s we had a service that would deliver food and movies. EFerrari Feb 2012 #21
I remembering going to those two stores sakabatou Feb 2012 #27
i'm surprised there are still 500 blockbuster stores left JI7 Feb 2012 #19
Never knew Dish Network owned it. n/t davidwparker Feb 2012 #25
That can happen OverDone Feb 2012 #38
There are still Blockbuster stores open!?! greiner3 Feb 2012 #33
But Redbox is growing DippyDem Feb 2012 #35
Redbox is about to cut a deal with Verizon onenote Feb 2012 #49
Didn't know that OverDone Feb 2012 #55
Does this mean I won't have to pay my late fee from 1998? Orrex Feb 2012 #37
You will have until Wed. OverDone Feb 2012 #39
I consider myself pretty tech savvy and am definitely the kind of person fujiyama Feb 2012 #63
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