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104. Bacchus and Bamacrat are basically correct in their point IMO, but they could use more tact. n/t

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Bradley Manning says he wants to live as a woman named Chelsea, begin hormone therapy. [View all] oberliner Aug 2013 OP

". . . the pursuit of happiness." another_liberal Aug 2013 #1

I thought this was from the Onion. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2013 #2

That was my first thought as well. nt avebury Aug 2013 #10

I was really hoping it was NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #11

While I support her decision on this Hayabusa Aug 2013 #15

Agreed. Sadly. Myrina Aug 2013 #20

Yep, agree so much, the timing is really bad. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #29

It is clear that Manning has been on the end of some very poor advice. grantcart Aug 2013 #39

SHE & HER are the proper pronouns when talking about a woman. I am sure you know that. idwiyo Aug 2013 #134

good catch thanks for bringing it to my attention. grantcart Aug 2013 #152

Not New 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #42

I understand what prompts your concern but she can't control the timing, it's not a choice Catherina Aug 2013 #67

It's not as though it was a secret. And the proper pronoun to use is she. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #71

Will Manning be in a women's prison? ... Wernothelpless Aug 2013 #3

I'm pretty sure Manning's "transition" will have to wait until parole Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #6

HER transition. Please, edit your post. idwiyo Aug 2013 #122

No, unless he gets to post-op davidn3600 Aug 2013 #7

But who pays for medical care? djg21 Aug 2013 #55

we the taxpayers pay for everything our Gov does or contacts for. Including heathcare, therapy, Sunlei Aug 2013 #66

"Hormone treatment is a part of the therapy and Manning has a right to it." Not according to the cstanleytech Aug 2013 #95

not the surgery, the medication. The military can't discriminate anymore. Sunlei Aug 2013 #103

Considering he is male atm though they will probably cstanleytech Aug 2013 #109

She is a female, not male. Below is a link to the article from WHO with some basic info. idwiyo Aug 2013 #126

Far as the military is concerned he is a he, what "he" does after he serves his sentence cstanleytech Aug 2013 #135

What military believes has nothing to do with how one should address Chelsea. She is a woman, idwiyo Aug 2013 #137

I am explaining what I believe the military is probably going to do idwiyo cstanleytech Aug 2013 #145

Sorry if I misunderstood you. idwiyo Aug 2013 #146

That changed just last year in Federal Prisons Catherina Aug 2013 #74

SHE is a proper pronoun to use when one talks about a woman. Unless one is a transphobic bigot. idwiyo Aug 2013 #124

I work as a nurse in a county jail not far from Leavenworth Kansas Seedersandleechers Aug 2013 #52

The US Disciplinary Barracks (where Manning is going) is for male prisoners only jmowreader Aug 2013 #106

A mixed-up young man tabasco Aug 2013 #4

Bullshit. n/t loudsue Aug 2013 #5

Thank-you! robinlynne Aug 2013 #32

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #35

So he should have kept quiet and let the war criminals continue their fun and games unimpeded? RC Aug 2013 #8

Oh well, I better change my opinion based on what the mob wants! tabasco Aug 2013 #46

Or expose domestic law breakers in our government. RC Aug 2013 #47

And which lawbreakers are those? Surely you don't mean our president. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #130

Do war crimes count, or not? RC Aug 2013 #136

I like how you called him "the Obama". Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #147

That was a typo I didn't catch, from rewording the sentence. RC Aug 2013 #163

why would you do that? you don't change your opinion to what he says about his gender CreekDog Aug 2013 #144

Bad decisions??? .... truth2power Aug 2013 #9

The choice of name seems like a bad decision to me customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #157

unlike the soldiers in the Apache helicopter Enrique Aug 2013 #13

WikiLeaks Reveals That Military Contractors Have Not Lost Their Taste For Child Prostitutes Ash_F Aug 2013 #30

Thank you for posting this. idwiyo Aug 2013 #127

Bullshit Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #34

But if he had gone to Iraq and strafed a bunch of children from an Apache Downtown Hound Aug 2013 #40

And that's a very biased account of the situation. nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #82

What do you mean by "mixed up"? morningfog Aug 2013 #101

It's very likely that someone who was just sentenced to 35 years in prison tabasco Aug 2013 #114

You think stress causes gender identity? morningfog Aug 2013 #116

Try to keep up ... GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #117

Below is a link to info about Gender Identity Disorder. I hope you read it and apologise for your idwiyo Aug 2013 #128

I think you are the one who is mixed up Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #107

Did you see the poster predict a renouncement? morningfog Aug 2013 #123

I missed that, but wow. Just wow. Bjorn Against Aug 2013 #125

A bigot or ignorant? oberliner Aug 2013 #129

Someone who is ignorant can be taught and can learn. Jamastiene Aug 2013 #151

Projection? donheld Aug 2013 #149

Does any know if military prisons are required to provide gender reassignment treatment to mulsh Aug 2013 #12

According to the new reports this am and comments for her lawyer maddezmom Aug 2013 #16

No, they're not. dgibby Aug 2013 #17

Veterans Admin does provide HRT for retired sgsmith Aug 2013 #23

Manning is being dishonorably discharged. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #24

Good question. At the very least I suspect that there will be powerful forces totodeinhere Aug 2013 #18

Good for her. Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #14

I thought that picture of him they released at the trial was kind of cute. bemildred Aug 2013 #19

Manning is a straight female FreeState Aug 2013 #60

I know that. And I know I have to start calling her "her" too. bemildred Aug 2013 #63

:) It will be a transition for all of us FreeState Aug 2013 #65

I've worked with trans people before, twenty years ago. No problem. bemildred Aug 2013 #68

Interesting... the apologies, sexual reassignment/hormone therapy, many things to discredit Manning salib Aug 2013 #21

Yes. Also, by changing genders, he is threatening to undercut closeupready Aug 2013 #26

Why would he want to name himself after a football club ? dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #22

'cause Mourinho's back? n/t VWolf Aug 2013 #45

Great answer dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #72

Because "Young Boys" isn't quite applicable anymore... Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #162

What is this, Mayberry RFD? closeupready Aug 2013 #25

I wish Manning well and Whisp Aug 2013 #27

Ive seen more bad taste here on DU now than anything from Fox 7962 Aug 2013 #161

And who's paying for this procedure? SummerSnow Aug 2013 #28

What is your point? enlightenment Aug 2013 #31

Yeah, I'd like to know, too theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #36

Hopefully, if his lawyer is successful the US gov't maddezmom Aug 2013 #37

I am. Why should the tax payers pick up the tab? Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #38

Hmmm, I don't believe it is a choice any more than being gay is a choice maddezmom Aug 2013 #41

Gay people aren't medically treated for being gay Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #43

It is not a choice was my point maddezmom Aug 2013 #44

and my point is if that is who he is then that is who he is Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #48

Your disgusting transphobic comments really need to stop now. enlightenment Aug 2013 #54

oh please, get lost Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #56

Bull. enlightenment Aug 2013 #57

then since she is a female there is no reason to pursue medical treatment is there? Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #59

Bacchus is being purposefully offensive but he does have a point. n/t SylviaD Aug 2013 #69

Which would be what? enlightenment Aug 2013 #70

I was not being purposefully offensive, and I do not believe that reassignment surgery Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #89

We agree on the substance of your post, but I can't help thinking you are slyly baiting. n/t SylviaD Aug 2013 #105

Agreed, what if a busty woman born in a flat chested body, should the gov't pay for that? bamacrat Aug 2013 #92

agreed, a much better analogy Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #96

You honestly don't understand it at all, do you? enlightenment Aug 2013 #102

Bacchus and Bamacrat are basically correct in their point IMO, but they could use more tact. n/t SylviaD Aug 2013 #104

+1 FreeState Aug 2013 #62

A jury let it stand 2-4. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #73

I alerted it. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #81

This isn't the first time I've seen it. Neoma Aug 2013 #86

Oh please get over your self-rightous name calling DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #153

Can you explain how posting on a anon. message board drives away supporters of LGBT rights?? maddezmom Aug 2013 #158

Sick. Please, forward your alert to Skinner. This is pure bigotry and should never be allowed on DU. idwiyo Aug 2013 #113

I clicked the TOS violation so presumably they will see it. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #115

Not sure admins will see it if it was allowed to stand. If you have a look at the results of the idwiyo Aug 2013 #119

I wasn't the first to alert. I only received the summary of the results of the original alert Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #120

You are welcome. I hope admins will not let this bigoted BS slide. This is sick beyond beleif. idwiyo Aug 2013 #121

When people are incarcerated it is the moral and legal obligation of the totodeinhere Aug 2013 #88

May be true for civilian life, but not so for military life sgsmith Aug 2013 #90

The military should have no right to override morality. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #98

necessary care absolutely. But many inmates' health would benefit from being freed from prison Bacchus4.0 Aug 2013 #93

True, but not becoming a woman will not kill him. n/t bamacrat Aug 2013 #94

There is a higher threshold than that. Inmates should be given treatment deemed necessary totodeinhere Aug 2013 #97

Agreed, however there are more cases of necessary mental health interaction needed than his. bamacrat Aug 2013 #99

This post is disgusting in its naked bigotry against transgender man and women. Sick. idwiyo Aug 2013 #110

10 hours later. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #132

Because Fed. Courts have ruled denying treatment is torture. Evasporque Aug 2013 #80

Should taxpayers pick up the tab for breast removal? joshcryer Aug 2013 #143

I would rather my tax dollars go to help Chelsea than fly around the Presidents dogs Autumn Aug 2013 #53

Maybe this is a way to avoid the male persecution SCVDem Aug 2013 #33

He should have said he was gay to begin with. RebelOne Aug 2013 #50

Their gender identification questions have been public since Adrian Lamo. joshcryer Aug 2013 #141

Keeping an open mind polynomial Aug 2013 #49

Best wishes to her... Mike Nelson Aug 2013 #51

That one's on the president, not the system RZM Aug 2013 #118

How Will This Be Handled? gussmith Aug 2013 #58

Some of these responses are terribly sad. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #61

+1 n/t FreeState Aug 2013 #64

There is a depressing amount of ignorance being spewed today. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #75

They will attack anyone or anything to defend this administration U4ikLefty Aug 2013 #85

+1 Catherina Aug 2013 #111

Can't believe the people thinking her gender identification is a bad thing. joshcryer Aug 2013 #140

I wish Manning the best! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #76

I wish her well, and I hope she doesn't have serve her whole sentence. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #77

Same here. On all counts. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #83

Manning really needs to start thinking about some deal-making. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #78

Manning is not going to make any deals. joshcryer Aug 2013 #139

It ain't done 'til the grand jury sitting in the rocket docket says it's over. msanthrope Aug 2013 #164

Beautiful. jessie04 Aug 2013 #79

Good luck Chelsea. Neoma Aug 2013 #84

Okay............ Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2013 #87

This whole story gets weirder by the moment WhoWoodaKnew Aug 2013 #91

How is this story weird? Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #100

I agree. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #131

Bad timing? When would be better? Nine Aug 2013 #108

Very well said. deurbano Aug 2013 #138

My best wishes to Chelsea. I would also like to apologise to all transgender man and women idwiyo Aug 2013 #112

I support Chelsea Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #133

Kudo's to Wikipedia for diligence on Chelsea Manning's Wikipedia page. joshcryer Aug 2013 #142

Help me out here. In what sense is Manning "a female"? Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #148

legally I don't think so. Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #150

DU is slipping over the edge... people are being called Transphobic for following the law DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #154

tell me about it. Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #155

Some of us think prisoners deserve Medical treatment maddezmom Aug 2013 #159

they broke him pretty well.. Alamuti Lotus Aug 2013 #156

What does this mean exactly? oberliner Aug 2013 #165

I'm happy for her that she has decided to do what is best for herself davidpdx Aug 2013 #160