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joshcryer

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38. Obama will not act without Russia and China.

Reply to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 11:42 PM

Aug 2013

Many more than 1,300 people will have to die before anyone gets involved.

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Reports of massive chemical attack near Damascus as UN observers arrive in Syria [View all] David__77 Aug 2013 OP

UN accuses Syrian rebels of chemical weapons use David__77 Aug 2013 #1

If the rebels did this, they could not have timed it worse. The UN chemical weapons team pampango Aug 2013 #2

Maybe the rebels John2 Aug 2013 #3

"The Syrian authorities claim ...", "They claimed ...", "According to them ...", "They claim ...". pampango Aug 2013 #4

The whole story sets off my bullshit detector spinbaby Aug 2013 #9

My thoughts exactly. n/t bitchkitty Aug 2013 #62

^^^^^^ indio55555 Aug 2013 #13

In war, it's difficult to find anyone credible. penultimate Aug 2013 #15

Yep. ocpagu Aug 2013 #64

Interesting coincidence that this comes on the same day that Gen. Dempsey says "No" to US military leveymg Aug 2013 #26

As opposed to the Syrian Govt. which is an upholder of human rights? n/t Daniel537 Aug 2013 #6

There doesn't seem to be any reason to think the rebels launched a chemical attack. Bradical79 Aug 2013 #8

The Russians have already accused the rebels of doing it themselves in a "premeditated provocation." Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #17

Unless they did it in reaction to Dempsey saying that US involvement is a bad idea karynnj Aug 2013 #28

Indeed, whether the government allows them to investigate tells us who did it. joshcryer Aug 2013 #37

Could be. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #63

The rebels have fighter planes to drop these weapons over wholesale cities? Daniel537 Aug 2013 #5

Yea because fighter jets are the only yoloisalie Aug 2013 #7

The US and NATO have shown zero interest in getting involved in this conflict. Daniel537 Aug 2013 #11

No, they are deeply involved in supporting the rebels. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #18

The most common delivery method is artilery. Ash_F Aug 2013 #10

So you would rather John2 Aug 2013 #23

Were fighter planes used? karynnj Aug 2013 #30

Opposition says as many as 1,300 killed in gas attack near Damascus Eugene Aug 2013 #12

I will await further confirmation, but this just seems so convenient. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #14

Maybe that's precisely what they want people to think. n/t Daniel537 Aug 2013 #16

Or maybe that's precisely what the rebels want people to think. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #19

If I were a dictator determined to hold on to power and wanted to send a message to my opponents, pampango Aug 2013 #20

Well, we can speculate all we want. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #21

Obama will not act without Russia and China. joshcryer Aug 2013 #38

Just as you have accused me of believing the Syrian Government's bullshit, John2 Aug 2013 #22

You seem to get much of your information from the Syrian government. You may not believe it. pampango Aug 2013 #25

You seem to have the makings of an assistant propaganda minister, if not for the top job. leveymg Aug 2013 #27

Yeah, because Assad has been quite docile so far. joshcryer Aug 2013 #39

Russia calls Syria’s chemical weapons use claims provocation David__77 Aug 2013 #24

Got that right.... indio55555 Aug 2013 #29

And yet the media is treating that aspect with kid gloves. David__77 Aug 2013 #33

It certainly wasn't weapons grade. joshcryer Aug 2013 #41

So the reports coming from the ground should be ignored? Socal31 Aug 2013 #44

If it was mass dispersed tear gas nothing happens. joshcryer Aug 2013 #47

Tear gas does not cause the reported symptoms. Socal31 Aug 2013 #49

It's coming from me because I think the other options would've left more dead. joshcryer Aug 2013 #53

Here is to hoping this is just a nightmare. Socal31 Aug 2013 #54

Sounds about right. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #31

Juan Cole's take differs. pampango Aug 2013 #34

Sure it could have happened. It just seems exceedingly unlikely. David__77 Aug 2013 #35

Every atrocity in Syria gets published that quickly. joshcryer Aug 2013 #40

Have you seen all of the dead children? Socal31 Aug 2013 #45

You're right, it doesn't matter. joshcryer Aug 2013 #46

I don't see where they admitted using any chemicals. They deny it, Russia says it was the rebels. Socal31 Aug 2013 #48

It may not have been CS gas exactly. joshcryer Aug 2013 #52

Reported 1000 dead on MSNBC. jessie04 Aug 2013 #32

UN Security Council meeting big_dog Aug 2013 #36

Initial eviidence pointed towards Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #42

This is going to lead to real US intervention, one way or the other. Socal31 Aug 2013 #43

Obama has the choice, completely. If he intervenes, it will destroy his presidency. David__77 Aug 2013 #50

The last thing I want is to get (more) involved in another conflict. Socal31 Aug 2013 #51

If Obama sends arms to al Qaeda, it's game over. David__77 Aug 2013 #55

Sending arms? Socal31 Aug 2013 #57

Oh there will be no NFZ. And no one else will "step in." There's no need to. David__77 Aug 2013 #58

Are you still confident in this statement? Socal31 Aug 2013 #61

Link with images. Socal31 Aug 2013 #56

Of course, theres another possibly nobody is mentioning Xithras Aug 2013 #59

We just don't know. And if the administration says they do know, they're lying. David__77 Aug 2013 #60