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In reply to the discussion: Newly Released NSA Slides Explain the PRISM Data-Collection Program [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)44. Those 117K are just those who are targeted - not how many are being looked at "2 hops out"
Last edited Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)
If each of those 117K targeted talked to 30 people that month, who in turn talked to 30, that's works out to a bit over 90 million investigations the system runs each month
But, it's worse than that, because the system as its described looks at metadata for each and every call made to see if it connects with any of those 117K and the 875,000 names who are somehow listed in US government databases as suspected of terrorist ties. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/03/us-usa-security-database-idUSBRE94200720130503
Number of names on U.S. counter-terrorism database jumps
By Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON | Thu May 2, 2013 8:06pm EDT
(Reuters) - The number of names on a highly classified U.S. central database used to track suspected terrorists has jumped to 875,000 from 540,000 only five years ago, a U.S. official familiar with the matter said.
Among those was suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, whose name was added in 2011. The increase in names is due in part to security agencies using the system more in the wake of the failed 2009 attack on a plane by "underpants bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab in Detroit.
By Mark Hosenball
WASHINGTON | Thu May 2, 2013 8:06pm EDT
(Reuters) - The number of names on a highly classified U.S. central database used to track suspected terrorists has jumped to 875,000 from 540,000 only five years ago, a U.S. official familiar with the matter said.
Among those was suspected Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, whose name was added in 2011. The increase in names is due in part to security agencies using the system more in the wake of the failed 2009 attack on a plane by "underpants bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab in Detroit.
One has to ask, if the government already knows the identities of the real terrorists, what's the point of operating this profiling system?
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Newly Released NSA Slides Explain the PRISM Data-Collection Program [View all]
Hissyspit
Jun 2013
OP
NOTE SLIDE 2: Voice recognition and Internet are part of PRISM - it isn't just metadata!
leveymg
Jun 2013
#2
NOTE SLIDE 7: EMAIL and CHAT are included in PRISM database. Distinction between SURVEILLANCE and
leveymg
Jun 2013
#10
Obama did not say that with regard to foreign targets, which is what PRISM targets.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#15
Yes, he did. You're making a false distinction. Both parts go through a single NSA database, and
leveymg
Jun 2013
#25
Congratulations, you've just proved that the President said there's no content in the database.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#27
Slide 3 shows there is A-J "types of Content" in the database, including email, VoIP, and the
leveymg
Jun 2013
#42
NOTE B SLIDE 3: NSA intercepts email, on-line chats in real-time, CONTENT TYPES C,D
leveymg
Jun 2013
#53
You're confusing two separate issues. Internal US surveillance involves the use of
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#14
No. They are part of the same NSA database. This proves that fact. See comments below.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#22
The metadata focus is the shiny object. The issues are email and profiling - the system profiles
leveymg
Jun 2013
#40
Exactly - and it's critical to note that interception or even intending to intercept is a crime.
wtmusic
Jun 2013
#41
Unless you're AT&T, in which case, all is forgiven, per Jewel. Carry on, citizen.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#45
They are just two facets of the same NSA program. Look at Slide 1 - US voice content (STORED COMMS)
leveymg
Jul 2013
#61
What this tells us: Obama was lying to us when he said "there's no content" in the NSA's PRISM
leveymg
Jun 2013
#12
The only thing it tells us is that you didn't bother to read the first sentence of the article:
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#16
This new information shows they are two parts of the same NSA database. See my comment below.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#18
Obviously, you have no basis to continue asserting that falsehood, or else you would tell us
leveymg
Jun 2013
#23
I can't prove a negative. But you can prove a positive. Where DOES it say that in the OP?
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#24
Those 117K are just those who are targeted - not how many are being looked at "2 hops out"
leveymg
Jun 2013
#44
All US telco traffic is intercepted by NSA. The FISA Court order released earlier shows that.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#17
That argument is over how NSA gets the data from the 9 companies. It's extraneous to the
leveymg
Jun 2013
#21
In other words, everyone from Obama on down is lying to us or is making stuff up if they don't know
PSPS
Jun 2013
#47
14. MY (fake) security beats your right to privacy, you libertarian-naderite commie-teabagger.
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#59
I love how the corporate contractors call spying on people just a product line.
fasttense
Jun 2013
#49