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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
99. I was talking about what "security" means to the political establishment
Wed May 29, 2013, 09:03 PM
May 2013

in most "free market" countries. Not what it meant to you, because your notion of it is irrelevant to those who want to overthrow Chavismo and put the poor back in their place.

As to Venezuela, the workers' militia isn't going to be a "thought police"...it's going to be a defense against U.S.-backed coups. We can assume that any well-armed opposition group would have been invented by the CIA and exist solely to restore austerity capitalism(no armed Left opposition to Chavismo could ever possibly exist, because the Left in Venezuela remembers history), and that the overthrow of the PSUV can only produce a Pinochet-style dictatorship with no social humanity at all.

Economic problems and political turmoil??? socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #1
Ha ha ha Zorro May 2013 #2
Give Oliver Stones "South of the border" a moment of your time spent watching glen beck. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #7
You should refrain from posting whoppers yourself Zorro May 2013 #8
Socialism in Venezuela protects people and makes sure they have absolute necessities. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #12
Socialism in Venezuela protects people and makes sure they have absolute necessities. Zorro May 2013 #15
1 minor issue solved. When something in the U.S. becomes scarce the price skyrockets and people can socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #17
And flour for arepas. MADem May 2013 #48
Whereas we have plenty of that stuff - but people who who have no money and djean111 May 2013 #52
Well, that is certainly an issue, and one in which I have involved myself over the years, but MADem May 2013 #57
Amen. cheapdate May 2013 #44
Sorry Oliver Stone is a hack..... whistler162 May 2013 #30
Too bad. The movie is full of interviews and footage LARGELY CENSORED by the MSM. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #31
The movie was good naaman fletcher May 2013 #53
30% inflation, routine food shortages and a sky rocketing murder rate hack89 May 2013 #19
Those numbers are from a biased western corporate, no doubt one who has an interest in perpetuating socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #23
"Venezuelan Government Recognizes Record Murder Rate" hack89 May 2013 #25
I know the government has denied those numbers and claimed socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #33
Those were the official government numbers hack89 May 2013 #35
Well clearly the Venezuelan Government has been infiltrated by dirty American capitalists. name not needed May 2013 #84
Oh my... Pelican May 2013 #88
Guess who else has an interest in perpetuating the anti-Bolivarian narrative? n/t ;) bitchkitty May 2013 #54
The poor wouldn't be better off with stores full of food Ken Burch May 2013 #28
The rich are not hoarding hack89 May 2013 #36
"free" markets never help the poor, as far as that goes. Ken Burch May 2013 #38
Yes socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #37
Erm, Citgo is only part of Citizens Energy Corporation. joshcryer May 2013 #47
It ain't "we," though, really. MADem May 2013 #49
Lmao dbackjon May 2013 #65
A workers militia? Like in North Korea? nt aristocles May 2013 #3
Democratic Venezuela has nothing in common with N. Korea. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #4
And shortages of goods the people need. Pterodactyl May 2013 #80
Mugabe's veterans... Iran's revolutionary guard quadrature May 2013 #5
Hopefully lsewpershad May 2013 #6
It's not an org to fight for workers rights Zorro May 2013 #9
The people voted to maintain the bolivarian revolution:) socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #14
Barely. Zorro May 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #18
He won. The people repeatedly support the Bolivarian revolution. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #20
Whatever you say, Brainiac Zorro May 2013 #22
Typing on phone, misspelling happens. Unfortunately you have no position to support or socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #24
Blah blah blah Zorro May 2013 #26
I know the rates quoted are complete fabrications socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #29
Deaf, dumb, and blind is no way to go through life, kid Zorro May 2013 #32
Try 6.50 for some brands. 100% more. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #34
In addition to your silly BS about Venezuela Zorro May 2013 #39
Typical response when you defend the indefensible. bitchkitty May 2013 #55
You appear to be a Venezuelan toilet paper shortage denier Zorro May 2013 #56
" Livin' la Vida Caca?" Is this "wit" in your environment? n/t Judi Lynn May 2013 #60
You wouldn't know "wit" Zorro May 2013 #63
Poddy humor. What more can you expect from such a person? n/t bitchkitty May 2013 #64
Ha. ha. ha. bitchkitty May 2013 #61
Workers militia...... A union by another name. socialsecurityisAAA May 2013 #13
We could learn a lot from Venezuela mwrguy May 2013 #10
A government-sponsored public militia Zorro May 2013 #11
Sure - lets have private armies answerable to no one but the president. hack89 May 2013 #21
They are basing this, in part, on what happened in Chile in '73. Ken Burch May 2013 #27
I really find it interesting to see all the Oligarch lovers here railsback May 2013 #40
Do you think government-sponsored "worker militias" is a good idea? Zorro May 2013 #41
Our founding fathers thought it was a good idea railsback May 2013 #42
So you think it's a good idea also? Zorro May 2013 #43
The purpose of our Militia has always been to maintain security, not to protect a partisan ideology Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #79
You're forgetting that in this country "security" is often a euphemism for "up the status quo" Ken Burch May 2013 #95
Security, to me, means all people living their lives without the threat of others telling them Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #96
I was talking about what "security" means to the political establishment Ken Burch May 2013 #99
A defense against a US-backed coup, and also against any potential coup of domestic origin. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #101
The thing is, there isn't anybody in Venezuela calling for a left-wing revolt Ken Burch May 2013 #105
You're saying that the only political schools of thought now are "left" and "right"? Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #106
I think you meant "libertarian", not "libertine" Ken Burch May 2013 #107
The modern "left" certainly has a lock on populist rhetoric. Huey Long would be impressed. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #116
The Silva recordings indicate the threat of a coup is from the "left-wing" Zorro May 2013 #108
Not a bad idea. David__77 May 2013 #45
It's probably better than armed tupamaros. joshcryer May 2013 #46
What part of the "socialist ideological basis" is the leaders of the government Leontius May 2013 #58
Don't feed the trolls! wow this thread is BillyRibs May 2013 #50
I don't see any trollish behavior on this thread... penultimate May 2013 #66
Please see comments #'s BillyRibs May 2013 #67
Lookin' for a little special attention, newbie? Zorro May 2013 #68
Now you're threatening people? bitchkitty May 2013 #69
Hissified kitties sure are over-sensitive Zorro May 2013 #70
Those are some rather snarky comments... penultimate May 2013 #92
See what I mean!? The very definition of troll! BillyRibs May 2013 #72
Perhaps you should follow your own advice Zorro May 2013 #82
Listen Kid, I might be New here But I'm not new to Politics. BillyRibs May 2013 #86
Just curious... bitchkitty May 2013 #74
Well, Seeing that Chavez had ( let me walk this billy goat accross the bridge.) BillyRibs May 2013 #85
Thanks hon - bitchkitty May 2013 #87
I'm indifferent. penultimate May 2013 #91
Thank you. n/t bitchkitty May 2013 #93
I think it's never a good thing when half the population arms itself to either protect or overturn Flatulo May 2013 #51
Strangely, that's the system we're creating in the US. Pterodactyl May 2013 #100
Exactly. What could possibly go wrong? Flatulo May 2013 #103
We should probably back off on that gun control thing. Pterodactyl May 2013 #111
Is a touchy subject. I strongly support one's right to self-defense, but I also support what Flatulo May 2013 #113
Well said. Pterodactyl May 2013 #117
Sound good to me. That's basic Bolshevism..... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #59
Viva Maduro! n/t bitchkitty May 2013 #62
Just another power hungry conman. -nt Bradical79 May 2013 #71
Well, golly! bitchkitty May 2013 #75
I still want the reasons behind the TP, butter, milk, etc. shortages. freshwest May 2013 #73
A paramilitary to defend an ideology in the face of economic problems and political turmoil Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #76
Or a paramilitary to defend a revolution.... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #77
A sound political system is self-adjusting and will stand on its own merits Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #78
So you're saying the capitalist system won't attempt to stage a ..... socialist_n_TN May 2013 #83
I'm saying that any system that relies on authoritarian control of the populace will ulitmately lose Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #89
Are they going to be armed? I assume "militia" means they'll have guns. Pterodactyl May 2013 #81
If members provide their own weapons, they're a traditional militia. If government arms them Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #90
It's probably the goon thing. Pterodactyl May 2013 #94
Yes, I believe so. And I am alarmed by the eagerness of some of our fellow travelers Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #97
Yes. A gang of folks with guns and government authority - all wearing the same color shirt! Pterodactyl May 2013 #98
I discovered a wonderful thing called Google Images and looked up Bolivarian Militia Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #102
Charming photos. But these don't take into account COLGATE4 May 2013 #104
Maybe we should have a militia like that in the US, hmm? Pterodactyl May 2013 #112
You sound like you want these revolutions to be utterly helpless against U.S.-backed coups Ken Burch May 2013 #109
But you don't apply the same reasoning to arming US citizens. Psephos May 2013 #110
Arming U.S. citizens wouldn't make any difference. Ken Burch May 2013 #119
Are you seriously suggesting that President Obama would undermine the will of Venezuelans? Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #115
It happened in Honduras. Ken Burch May 2013 #118
Maybe they could add a "neighborhood watch" component... brooklynite May 2013 #114
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