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114. Absolutes are always wrong.... It did seem that your post had
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 11:18 PM
Feb 2012

a self-contradiction.

In one part you wrote, "The government killing people, who happen to be citizens, absent a trial, absent a presentation of charges, is always wrong, particularly when that person is riding in a jeep in the desert unarmed."

But then you added later, "This is not as if this was a person standing in front of a building with explosives strapped to his person ready to blow up a building." So this implied you were changing course and presenting the case when it's OK to kill them, absent a trial. Did you intend to carve out exceptions? If so, that negates the absolutes.

I believe that there are plenty of circumstances when the killing is justified including but not limited to being ready to blow up a building. Hold a gun, knife, glass of acid, billy club or whatever on any of my family (or likewise threaten any other person, or even our little beagle) and you're a fair target. Rob a bank and refuse to drop your gun and/or halt and you're a fair target. Reach for a gun in the vicinity of the President and you're a fair target. US citizenship or lack thereof is not a relevant factor in my view. I would argue also that even though intercepting an individual's communications is a lesser degree of force than a hellfire missile, I support the President's decision.

And just out of curiosity, how do you know anyone riding in a jeep was armed or unarmed? I'd bet a donut or apple fritter that most, if not all those in the jeep were packing. But unless you were there, we don't really know, do we?

But like I started, absolutes are always wrong. Irony of the statement is absolutely intentional.

I don't think they have backed off criticism of the super PACs, they have backed off losing OKNancy Feb 2012 #1
Thank you. I couldn't agree more. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #3
Agree. They're bringing a gun to a gun fight. klook Feb 2012 #4
Back when special interest money started flooding into campaigns in the 90s, corrupting the entire groovedaddy Feb 2012 #24
Then we saw the power of the highest-bidder media. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #57
wishful thinking DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #58
A good from Robert Scheer on this very topic groovedaddy Feb 2012 #117
one quote that shows why his whole argument falls DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #128
I don't like Obama (and won't vote for him), but he's right on this one. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #7
Who do you plan on voting for? Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #14
No idea. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #18
What issue is the deal breaker between yourself and Obama? Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #22
There are several. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #32
Fair enough. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #35
Count me curious. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #50
The not voting for him part. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #52
Interesting. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #55
I appreciate the opportunity to have a good discussion. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #56
Nicely done. 8^D We need more like you. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #62
Fantastic Dialogue you two!! ermasdaughter Feb 2012 #74
"Fantastic" is exactly right. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #76
Please consider the possibility... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #63
Knowing that Lt. General DeWitt had misgivings about mass the internment of Japanese-Americans OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #67
False Parity is a sad resort of a desperate argument. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #68
Before you start shouting, "Argumentative fallacy!" OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #69
Yelling and screaming will not persuade me, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #71
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #72
Your true character is revealed. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #75
THIS PERSECUTION IS AN OUTRAGE! OnyxCollie Feb 2012 #73
Hmmmm.... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #78
"if a person really believes in a particular point, they don't compromise on it" boppers Feb 2012 #81
Actually...no. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #82
"is always wrong" boppers Feb 2012 #83
"is always wrong"...yeah...some things are "always wrong." However, I'm curious when... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #84
Some people keep killing until they're stopped. boppers Feb 2012 #93
I'm tired but I'll try again. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #95
Let's take, oh, the terrorist. boppers Feb 2012 #96
Wow. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #102
That's some wool. boppers Feb 2012 #103
Fantastic. Efficiency at last. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #104
"Silence has never equaled admission. " boppers Feb 2012 #115
Been there, done that. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #121
Not much imagination needed, as I once worked for an internet "tapping" company. boppers Feb 2012 #124
More satire. That's good. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #125
LOL, no, I was being serious. boppers Feb 2012 #141
Absolutes are always wrong.... It did seem that your post had 24601 Feb 2012 #114
That's not what I was saying. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #119
First and foremost, let me get one thing right out of the way... The Doctor. Feb 2012 #85
Let me get this out of the way. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #88
Do you know why he appointed Holder? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #91
Okay, I'd really like to know how you came to the conclusion that indefinite detention was something The Doctor. Feb 2012 #86
Huh? FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #89
I'm sorry. I looked and I wasn't able to find it. If you could please show me The Doctor. Feb 2012 #92
It's all here. If you can't see it, I give up. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #94
If it is there, then you can pinpoint it. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #99
Well, there it is. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #107
I didn't call you a wingnut, and you know it. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #111
Yeah, I think you did. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #120
Fish Swim. Yet swimming doesn't make you a fish. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #123
It is not my problem... FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #126
That doesn't work on me. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #131
I finally got it. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #142
Cute. But fail. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #143
You're funny. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #145
No insults, just factual observation. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #146
Since you're apparently not going to answer the question, I'll explain to the readers why. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #147
No. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #148
That's a pretty typical tactic. It doesn't work on me either. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #149
You go with that. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #150
I know you're looking for a way out. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #151
I think it's fun to watch your obsession with me. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #152
Oh, it's nothing so personal. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #153
What do you mean "Huh?"? The Doctor. Feb 2012 #98
Here. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #101
It always fascinates me when someone becomes condescending, The Doctor. Feb 2012 #112
Oh...now I get it. Satire. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #118
omg. inna Feb 2012 #137
I don't pretend to be something I'm not. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #138
I imagine many people sincerely believe they have... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #154
Such wise condescension. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #156
Thank you for all thesse links. truedelphi Feb 2012 #134
The NDAA codified what was already decided. By supreme law of the land (not the president). boppers Feb 2012 #97
They aren't "war prisoners." FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #100
...and "there is no spoon". boppers Feb 2012 #116
you're 100% correct, and this was a brilliant and noteworthy series of posts - inna Feb 2012 #136
+100 for this response. Thanks for sharing your awareness.... midnight Feb 2012 #139
'Awareness' of that which he cannot support The Doctor. Feb 2012 #144
There was a time when the Constitution was the Supreme Law of the Land. truedelphi Feb 2012 #135
Also, now the neanderathal Repubs will say "Look how evil democrat_patriot Feb 2012 #10
good thought OKNancy Feb 2012 #19
I'd like to think so, but republicans aren't known for being reasonable. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #26
Good point loyalsister Feb 2012 #66
Unfortunately, it won't work that way. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #87
BINGO MidwestTransplant Feb 2012 #29
Yep it's that simple n/t malaise Feb 2012 #31
exactly, too bad Russ didn't have the same eye on victory. grantcart Feb 2012 #46
Why won't he run against Walker? What are his plans? nt onehandle Feb 2012 #2
He's supposed to have been Law Professor-ing and ... Myrina Feb 2012 #43
principle is great and all qazplm Feb 2012 #5
Super (pac) DITTO! SoapBox Feb 2012 #23
I love Russ and miss him dearly, but I think he's a bit naive on this subject... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #6
Citizens United Big Tent Feb 2012 #17
We need to negotiate a truce, not unilaterally disarm. pnwmom Feb 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author SaintPete Feb 2012 #9
Sorry Russ, you are on your own on this one. Firebrand Gary Feb 2012 #11
Sorry, Russ. Suggesting Obama unilaterally disarm is absurd. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #12
Yes. Gun to a gun-fight. FredStembottom Feb 2012 #13
I like Russ more than I like Obama but he's not right here.... vi5 Feb 2012 #15
Sorry Russ, I disagree. BHO has to win another four years to give us a chance... Scuba Feb 2012 #16
How dare President Obama use the law created by the McCain-Feingold bill, complains Feingold! n/t Ian David Feb 2012 #20
Feingold Robbins Feb 2012 #21
I agree with Russ. And he's also soooooo wrong on this one. tpsbmam Feb 2012 #25
When does it end? The same arguments were made when special interest money started flooding groovedaddy Feb 2012 #27
On the other side, if we don't win, it sets the stage for stacking the deck. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #34
"corrupt the system so thoroughly" - I think we're already there. I'm not sure that we have to groovedaddy Feb 2012 #45
That, I believe is a wonderful point. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #155
Sorry, Russ, I see it as simply recognizing the law and the current playing field, elleng Feb 2012 #28
Why is it we only hear what Feingold has to say when he bashes Obama? JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #30
I rather suspect it has to do with our corporate media. Liberal Veteran Feb 2012 #37
Russ isn't bashing Obama. He's disagreeing with him. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #38
President Obama ProSense Feb 2012 #33
Is Feingold Inconveniently Right? CAPHAVOC Feb 2012 #36
They're both right!!Russ is right that it will lead to a legalized Abramoff system & the President's Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #39
The Conservatives are freaking out! UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #40
yeah, arm one group with guns and the other groups says "we'll use sticks"...ah..no Russ..nt Demonaut Feb 2012 #41
Quelle surprise! Beacool Feb 2012 #42
It's ProSense Feb 2012 #44
Of course Democrats are glad that McCain lost. Beacool Feb 2012 #47
If the D super pacs can out-raise the R super pacs, the Rs will go running to the SCOTUS stopbush Feb 2012 #48
Russ, you lost a long time senate seat in a blue state Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #49
A winner does what a loser won't and President Obama is a winner graham4anything Feb 2012 #51
I can hope Super PACs will be just as bad, just as painful to the Republicans and they will also RickFromMN Feb 2012 #53
The President has to do what he has to do to survive until WE get strong enough to make patrice Feb 2012 #54
I love Russ Feingold, but he's wrong here. boxman15 Feb 2012 #59
why would Obama want a liberal Congress? He's not a liberal. provis99 Feb 2012 #70
That is WHO the White House campaigned for in the 2010 Democratic Primaries. bvar22 Feb 2012 #132
The only way to defeat SuperPacs is to show that they do not give the GOP an edge. McCamy Taylor Feb 2012 #60
i think the unions will be a big force in this election cycle madrchsod Feb 2012 #65
Russ Feingold is right on this topic.... midnight Feb 2012 #61
He is the only one who lives by his own principles. undeterred Feb 2012 #90
because of citizens united the unions can do the same as corporations... madrchsod Feb 2012 #64
As long as he pushes to eliminate the system in future elections, Obama is right. Kablooie Feb 2012 #77
He has not shown any inclination in that direction. woo me with science Feb 2012 #109
I really like Russ Hutzpa Feb 2012 #79
I understand Russ, and support him. bvar22 Feb 2012 #80
The DLC is gone. Get the heck over it. You have to compete against the big Puke money. Get real. RBInMaine Feb 2012 #106
The DLC is not "gone". bvar22 Feb 2012 #108
bvar22... woo me with science Feb 2012 #110
I will offer one DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #129
I love that Paul Wellstone quote..... He sure had his finger on the pulse of where this race to the midnight Feb 2012 #140
No it is SMART. Until we can reverse Citizens United, we need an even playing field. Feingold, you RBInMaine Feb 2012 #105
Russ Feingold's voice in the Senate is sorely missed fujiyama Feb 2012 #113
Yeah, I miss Feingold also. Sad that he's lost. truedelphi Feb 2012 #133
This would have been so much more effective from the Senate floor. Oh, right. nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #122
I love Russ too and miss him Worried senior Feb 2012 #127
And what do we have now grantcart Feb 2012 #130
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