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This contradicts BainsBane May 2013 #1
Nope. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #14
That was a very "negative" reply, Bernardo. Would you like to talk about it? nt JustABozoOnThisBus May 2013 #75
Sure. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #77
Thanks for the more detailed response. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2013 #99
I have also made other posts in this thread. I don't think they deny all genetics. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #102
very witty, JABOTB!!! Skittles May 2013 #88
I originally posted the wrong link - please read the updated link. bananas May 2013 #23
I like this line: napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #2
You sound like you have never experienced mental illness. The problem with treating Maraya1969 May 2013 #6
Don't get me wrong... There are a time and place for meds napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #7
All illness is extremely complex,... Alkene May 2013 #41
You sound like you have never experienced a good behavioral psychologist. The problem with treating Junkpet May 2013 #113
That's actually an old view of an old idea bhikkhu May 2013 #68
Agreed Liberalynn May 2013 #76
My opinion is driven in part by my years of experience with mental illness. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #86
I would disagree. OrwellwasRight May 2013 #173
Good points bhikkhu May 2013 #183
personally, I think one or two 8-9 hour blocks of pure sleep helps more than any treatment. Sunlei May 2013 #101
When you are manic, you CAN'T sleep. n/t DebJ May 2013 #105
Then a Doctor should place the person in a sleep center for 10 hours under sleep meds. Sunlei May 2013 #116
That's not enough to quiet a manic brain. Sleep meds do not produce DebJ May 2013 #120
no meds the person takes, anesthesia under a Doctors watch at a sleep center. Sunlei May 2013 #123
anesthesia is not a drug? DebJ May 2013 #124
well its a shame you have to suffer without sleep but its your life. Sunlei May 2013 #125
Not me, a family member. DebJ May 2013 #126
How induced coma and sleep differ: DebJ May 2013 #127
more DebJ May 2013 #129
good articles, thank you for posting them. Sunlei May 2013 #189
Your welcome. n/t DebJ May 2013 #190
yes, I'm sure that kind of mental illness effects your entire family. Sunlei May 2013 #128
Such a sweet reply! n/t DebJ May 2013 #130
I suppose everyone has a pet theory on a universal solution quakerboy May 2013 #188
However I have never killed anyone get the red out May 2013 #103
I hear you. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #139
You're talking about mental illness in the context of The Sapranos!? Neoma May 2013 #133
Art is not truth, art is the lie which allows us to approach truth. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #137
Uh huh... Neoma May 2013 #140
But you see, you actually get at the very CORE of the problem with the status quo. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #152
You just don't get it do you? Neoma May 2013 #159
No, YOU just don't get it. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #163
And that work is/was...? nt Union Scribe May 2013 #166
Puh-lease. Neoma May 2013 #168
No, you've been systematically distorting my words. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #171
Your words? Right, let's go down the list. Neoma May 2013 #177
Great response. DerpyShell67 May 2013 #178
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #184
You seem to be reading between the lines with me... napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #179
There is no label of severely mentally ill in the mental health community. Neoma May 2013 #182
you've also not once recognized that medication is beneficial to people fizzgig May 2013 #170
I have recognized that in many responses. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #172
we don't want people to look at us with sympathy fizzgig May 2013 #169
i triaged for years fizzgig May 2013 #147
GREAT post. nt Union Scribe May 2013 #167
Now THAT is "nuts" - Hell Hath No Fury May 2013 #3
I think its addressing a kind of scope creep with the psyche meds. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #8
You have cut to the heart of the matter. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #15
Well said IMO!!! Psychoactive pharmaceuticals can be a RKP5637 May 2013 #22
And that is what the article is keying off of, really....DSM revisions. MADem May 2013 #46
They jumped the shark when they said that grief lasting more than two weeks was a Squinch May 2013 #36
yes, they really jumped the shark with that one nt steve2470 May 2013 #94
Nonsense. Union Scribe May 2013 #143
No, not nonsense. Squinch May 2013 #176
Then I have a question about this.......... Maraya1969 May 2013 #4
Some people benefit from medications. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #16
There is a video on Youtube called "The biology of belief" and the man speaking was a pioneer Maraya1969 May 2013 #83
A very interesting area of research is EpiGenetics: study of factors outside of DNA affecting gene Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #84
+1 agree it's positively fascinating -how emotions and behaviors/experiences alter your health. n/t JudyM May 2013 #161
3 generations in my family have a bird phobia. i'm sure it's genetic.... HiPointDem May 2013 #71
Well, the latter might very well be more complex than that. antigone382 May 2013 #141
at some level basically indistinguishable from mental illness. and the bird phobia? 3 generations HiPointDem May 2013 #149
I don't dispute that the bird phobia might well be genetic. antigone382 May 2013 #164
i dispute it. we learn what the world is, how to interpret it, who we are and how to behave HiPointDem May 2013 #175
In that case I might have misinterpreted you from the beginning. antigone382 May 2013 #187
Im thinking its time some of the folks over iamthebandfanman May 2013 #5
Contradicted by this dipsydoodle May 2013 #9
Yes/no. Alzheimer's has real physical elements but that doesn't contradict the call the doctors make Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #18
I don't really understand how that's a contradiction. antigone382 May 2013 #142
Hmmm Psychologists can't use meds... uriel1972 May 2013 #10
I don't expext a talking therapy to "cure" a busted brain. mwooldri May 2013 #42
I agree with most of your points uriel1972 May 2013 #64
'all' 'mental illnesses' have biological underpinnings in the same sense that life has biological HiPointDem May 2013 #150
Very Well said Liberalynn May 2013 #79
I am torn about this. I have a cousin that I am very close to who has been diagnosed AnnieK401 May 2013 #11
Yep, agree! It's a mix and one size does not fit all. I had some RKP5637 May 2013 #27
for the Tea/Repukes it IS their NORM...the 1% depends on that hue May 2013 #12
Sounds like the nature or nurture argument all over again, or still. fasttense May 2013 #13
Good post, absolutely. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #19
Very well said. Basically what I was trying to say below but better... Locut0s May 2013 #26
+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #31
my ex was bipolar, w/ additional Dx of manic-depression, suicidal ChairmanAgnostic May 2013 #135
Extremely well said!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #28
Good point there, raccoon May 2013 #39
Very astute post. Thanks! nolabear May 2013 #63
It's an interesting dilemma. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #138
'There are genes that do NOT turn on, like depression' = and which genes are those, specifically? HiPointDem May 2013 #151
They would also like you to know that tin foil hats do indeed protect you from prying brain scans. originalpckelly May 2013 #17
Biological factors. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #29
+1 Union Scribe May 2013 #144
BULLSHIT. The move has merit but as it's stated it's bullshit... Locut0s May 2013 #20
Of course biology plays a role TM99 May 2013 #45
The article refers to every category of mental illness, does it not? DebJ May 2013 #104
This is one position taken TM99 May 2013 #109
one thing i haven't seen mentioned in this thread as a cause of depression DebJ May 2013 #111
Well you actually are addressing something that is TM99 May 2013 #114
Can we talk? No, seriously. Sivafae May 2013 #117
Please drop me a PM TM99 May 2013 #119
Wow. It is supposed to be standard medical practice, from DebJ May 2013 #121
Actually my case is not that unique. TM99 May 2013 #131
i will agree that some psychiatrists are very quick to DebJ May 2013 #134
If most of the population is sick Turbineguy May 2013 #21
Yes, would you ask the same if most of the population had emphysema... uriel1972 May 2013 #24
Emphysema has a material cause. One questions 'mental illness' when most of the population HiPointDem May 2013 #74
Since the defects don't affect reproduction Union Scribe May 2013 #145
they would affect both reproduction and survival. if you're hallucinating, collapsed into yourself HiPointDem May 2013 #148
Not all mental illness expresses itself in a way that Union Scribe May 2013 #165
That's a different argument than the one being made in the OP... Locut0s May 2013 #25
The anti-psychiatry movement rears its head again... JCMach1 May 2013 #30
The idea that there is no such thing as mental illness is f***ing nuts! rox63 May 2013 #32
'organic brain disorders' aren't genetic; they're disease states with physical causes and can HiPointDem May 2013 #153
Schizophrenia and bipolar are very likely to have organic causes rox63 May 2013 #162
This reminds me about a conversation I had with my therapist about LuvNewcastle May 2013 #33
DCP: "Your body gets ill...er.. except for that brain part. Schema Thing May 2013 #34
Nailed it, right there. (nt) Posteritatis May 2013 #58
except your 'brain part' does get ill, and causes identifiable manifestations. it just happens HiPointDem May 2013 #154
let's begin by eliminating the not-guilt due to insanity plea samsingh May 2013 #35
well the insurance companies will be doing a happy dance madrchsod May 2013 #37
I have two thoughts on this. timdog44 May 2013 #38
I totally agree Liberalynn May 2013 #80
insulin actually is a cure of sorts for diabetes, if the diabetes is caused by the body's inability HiPointDem May 2013 #155
And you are right. timdog44 May 2013 #160
Sounds like goddamned conservative religious logic Hugabear May 2013 #40
This is beyond ridiculous MynameisBlarney May 2013 #43
Seems to be opposite of where NIMH just went with RDoC HereSince1628 May 2013 #44
NIMH finally acknowledged that psychiatric diagnoses have no biological basis. bananas May 2013 #81
Take a chill pill Android3.14 May 2013 #47
+1 yeah, a lot of comments and very few reading the article. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #87
Psychologists Can Be Helpful Demeter May 2013 #48
if it's genetic and organic, what are the biomarkers? answer: there aren't any. HiPointDem May 2013 #156
As a mental health professional I both disagree and agree. nolabear May 2013 #49
+1. " You are complex, and wonderful, and sometimes incomprehensible" Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #53
Well said. CanSocDem May 2013 #55
Thanks, Cher. I appreciate those kind words. nolabear May 2013 #62
excellent post nt steve2470 May 2013 #93
How do these people explain Autism and other disorders that are not products of breakdown, then? 1monster May 2013 #50
Please xpost this at Mental Health Information group. elleng May 2013 #51
just bullshit. mopinko May 2013 #52
As is your reply. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #54
Lol. Neoma May 2013 #56
No. I attacked the post, not the person. And so what if they have been appointed to their position? Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #59
Who said I was appealing to her authority? I simply laughed. Neoma May 2013 #60
Thank you get the red out May 2013 #106
'A post that calls something "bullshit" without any analysis or discussion is not worthy of respect' postatomic May 2013 #65
Sure. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #67
I dunno. Do physical illnesses really exist? (nt) Posteritatis May 2013 #57
No, they're punishment for sinning Hugabear May 2013 #91
Ahh, yes. And mental ones are punishments according to everyone else! Posteritatis May 2013 #97
I don't suppose the author has interviewed many schizophrenics Warpy May 2013 #61
adolescence isn't a life change? the biological determinists would *love* to find some HiPointDem May 2013 #157
Adolescence is a time of profound changes in brain wiring Warpy May 2013 #158
Don't forget... Archae May 2013 #66
You can add 'Alien Abductions' postatomic May 2013 #69
I know. Believe me, I know. Archae May 2013 #82
It's not the Religion, it is the surrounding tools that make religion effective. Bernardo de La Paz May 2013 #85
Could you be any more inaccurate and inflammatory? TM99 May 2013 #70
like pharma-therapy isn't fad-driven? i can write the same history about each generation of HiPointDem May 2013 #72
Sounds like another rationale to cut funding, no mattter what. freshwest May 2013 #73
Your post is the winner get the red out May 2013 #107
'You're cured! It's a miracle!' Meaning insurance won't cover it, so it doesn't exist. Only one freshwest May 2013 #115
If this makes mental health treatment less pharmacutical, less in a correctional facility .... marble falls May 2013 #78
You gotta draw the line in the sand somewhere. napoleon_in_rags May 2013 #89
You're right. Just because a set of behaviors can be described and labeled ... marble falls May 2013 #100
R.D. Laing made the same arguments decades ago - Good luck Scientologists with this new attempt NoodleyAppendage May 2013 #90
I agree steve2470 May 2013 #92
Great post. nt Union Scribe May 2013 #146
The scientologists will be thrilled. applegrove May 2013 #95
They could relieve the pressure get the red out May 2013 #108
My two cents: King_Klonopin May 2013 #96
Changing the perception of one's problems may help for a while. mia May 2013 #98
Anybody who would try to claim that schizophrenia kestrel91316 May 2013 #110
Denial comes more from stupidity or hatred. Neoma May 2013 #112
Of course it doesn't nolabels May 2013 #118
Who is Sane? mattnapa May 2013 #122
someone truly sane and brilliant might be institutionalized. ChairmanAgnostic May 2013 #136
great. now insurance providers won't cover treatment rollin74 May 2013 #132
+10.000 smirkymonkey May 2013 #181
As someone with a mental illness, this is insulting and disturbing. unreadierLizard May 2013 #174
K&R DeSwiss May 2013 #180
I have always figured that everyone is crazy. leftyladyfrommo May 2013 #185
'Hiding' it... CanSocDem May 2013 #186
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