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green for victory

(591 posts)
71. yet *another* case of anti depressant violence
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:33 AM
Apr 2013

The Sheriff released a comprehensive update on this case and guess what- like the over 4000+ cases documented here, it's another person who was taking antidepressants.

The report: (PDF) 3/29/13
http://sheriff.co.calaveras.ca.us/Portals/sheriff/Press/2013/Update_Marshall_Investigation.pdf

from the report:

Phillip Marshal's blood sample contained .08 mg/L
hydrocodone (pain reliever/narcotic), .02 mg/L morphine (pain reliever/narcotic), and .80mg/L hydroxybupropion (anti-depressant). Alcoholic beverages, including a bottle of whiskey and an open l2-pack of beer, were found inside the Marshall home.

• According to records obtained, Marshall was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. Additionally, the reports stated that he suffered periods of depression and mania, which led to his dismissal, or "grounding," as a pilot in September 2006.


The antidepressant: bupropion

the mandated black box warning that comes with all antidepressants was quoted in an alert about this particular bupropion drug:

FDA NEWS RELEASE

For Immediate Release: July 1, 2009
Media Inquiries: Karen Riley, 301-796-4674
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA
FDA: Boxed Warning on Serious Mental Health Events to be Required for Chantix and Zyban

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced that it is requiring manufacturers to put a Boxed Warning on the prescribing information for the smoking cessation drugs Chantix (varenicline) and Zyban (bupropion). The warning will highlight the risk of serious mental health events including changes in behavior, depressed mood, hostility, and suicidal thoughts when taking these drugs.

“The risk of serious adverse events while taking these products must be weighed against the significant health benefits of quitting smoking,” said Janet Woodcock, M.D., director, the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. “Smoking is the leading cause of preventable disease, disability, and death in the United States and we know these products are effective aids in helping people quit.”

Similar information on mental health events will be required for bupropion marketed as the antidepressant Wellbutrin and for generic versions of bupropion. These drugs already carry a Boxed Warning for suicidal behavior in treating psychiatric disorders.

Woodcock said health care professionals who prescribe Chantix and Zyban should monitor their patients for any unusual changes in mood or behavior after starting these drugs. She added that patients should immediately contact their health care professional if they experience such changes...>More
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm170100.htm


This behavior is fully documented at the US NIH as well-
US National Institutes of Health:
Antidepressants and Violence-problems at the Interface of Medicine & Law
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/

"...Both clinical trial and pharmacovigilance data point to possible links between these drugs and violent behaviours...


Annex: The Illustrative Medico-Legal Cases
...In 1998, a new family doctor, unaware of this adverse reaction to fluoxetine, prescribed paroxetine 20 mg to DS, for what was diagnosed as an anxiety disorder. Two days later having had, it is believed, two doses of medication, DS using a gun put three bullets each through the heads of his wife, his daughter who was visiting, and his nine-month-old granddaughter before killing himself...


For some reason, even though these drugs come with a mandated warning of possible violent behavior and/or suicide, the US National media cannot bring themselves to ask if these drugs are causing this gun violence. But they used to:



The drugs come with a warning. The media has all kinds of time to question whether the cause is video games or bad parenting or bullying yet cannot find 30 seconds to talk about the actual warning of possible violent or suicidal behavior that comes with the drugs. This is a crime against our society, to keep something like this out of the debate.

all the guns in the world can be banned but if the cause of this violence is indeed the antidepressants then it won't make a bit of difference because there will always be another way.
It's ok though, he used a handgun. geomon666 Feb 2013 #1
May God help them all, and help us too in the process,,, benld74 Feb 2013 #2
I don't think god will help them BobbyBoring Feb 2013 #4
If he had used a knife...maybe the other one could have gotten away. Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #5
Oh, god. This is making me absolutely nauseous. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #3
Quite honestly, no. Archae Feb 2013 #8
No. It's only going to get worse. With record gun purchases... Walk away Feb 2013 #9
This is a strange story....If you read the whole thing...Husband was an author about 9/11 & KoKo Feb 2013 #6
Hmmmmm..... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #11
Oh lord... the MIHOPers will be all over that. Recursion Feb 2013 #12
yes we will and we also have a name for those who believe the 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #27
I noticed that in the article, too. pacalo Feb 2013 #18
makes this story suspicious and mysterious olddad56 Feb 2013 #54
The Depravity American Gun Culture Is Without Bound cantbeserious Feb 2013 #7
I certianly haven't seen any boundry yet. defacto7 Feb 2013 #10
I don't think this is about guns. 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #28
Another selfish coward in process of divorce,couldn't just off himself with his gun. Sunlei Feb 2013 #60
I don't think much has changed. The public and social media are really just publicizing the carnage libdem4life Feb 2013 #13
don't nobody give a shit about the kids dying every day here in chicago. mopinko Feb 2013 #17
Yes, I do. nt okaawhatever Feb 2013 #20
People would care if the media covered it lunatica Feb 2013 #25
several years ago the chicago tribune decided mopinko Feb 2013 #33
I do... ReRe Feb 2013 #26
I certainly do care. lonestarnot Feb 2013 #32
And these murders, too. earthside Feb 2013 #14
It's not the price we have to pay, but the price we choose to pay. harmonicon Feb 2013 #24
The most fanatic of gun advocates are saying ... earthside Feb 2013 #29
The killer is identified as an author and former airline pilot Orrex Feb 2013 #15
It's the same guy, according to boing boing, where I first came across the story. harmonicon Feb 2013 #23
Moar guns! nt onehandle Feb 2013 #16
Another crazy conspiracy theorist goes off the deep end... nt EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #19
You say "crazy conspiracy theorist," I say "lawful gun owner." harmonicon Feb 2013 #22
???? crazy conspiracy theorist? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #30
I came home having enough of the shit madokie Feb 2013 #21
His daughter"s statement on her Face book posting is troubling: olegramps Feb 2013 #31
So the daughter was just like any typical American teenager? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #34
I don't believe that is a typical response of a teenage daughters I have known. olegramps Feb 2013 #67
God only knows what she had to live with eissa Feb 2013 #35
that is troubling, plus the neighbor woman who said he 'visited' all the time. Sunlei Feb 2013 #61
More on Phillip Marshall mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2013 #36
A column about him from a local paper in September deutsey Feb 2013 #52
I live here where this occurred musiclawyer Feb 2013 #37
Does this man look like a "misfit" or a "misanthrope"? green for victory Feb 2013 #38
"Maybe he didn't shoot himself. Maybe he did." nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #41
So that somebody can label it "woo talk" and get him banned? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #44
WTF! I am asking for clarification on a cryptic post. nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #55
I'm not one to alert. Just like I'm not one to play games. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #56
Yeah, you caught me nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #57
Your words. Not mine. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #58
Must be the new trend, to try to cast doubt on everyshooting now. Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #53
thoughts L22552 Feb 2013 #39
What's indisputable is that he was a cold blooded murderer MrScorpio Feb 2013 #40
How is it indisputable green for victory Feb 2013 #43
OK, I'll bite nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #42
Did not judge this family, but have had my own judged. If you are a family ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #45
Macaila Marshall bears an eerie resemblance to Rachel Scott who died during the Columbine Massacre. Selatius Feb 2013 #46
interesting words from Phillip Marshall green for victory Feb 2013 #47
I bet there's a lot of other things you may guarantee. harmonicon Feb 2013 #48
What if he didn't kill his kids? green for victory Feb 2013 #49
What if I have a unicorn in my pocket? harmonicon Feb 2013 #50
That's the thing jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #51
another murders-suicide (even the dog!), another family violence volcano? Sunlei Feb 2013 #59
yeah, there sure have been a lot of people who have spoken out about 911 that have commited suicide. olddad56 Feb 2013 #62
Have I got the website for you! harmonicon Feb 2013 #63
not his nutter 'the gov did 9-11' books. He's just another coward who wouldn't suicide alone. Sunlei Feb 2013 #66
I had enough of this shit a long time ago. Brigid Feb 2013 #64
Yet another "law-abiding gun owner" in action - right up until the second he wasn't. apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #65
thoughts L22552 Feb 2013 #68
You posted this telepathically, or from a computer? Pot, meet kettle. harmonicon Feb 2013 #69
harmonicom L22552 Feb 2013 #70
yet *another* case of anti depressant violence green for victory Apr 2013 #71
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