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18. The Guardian's bio:

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:19 PM

Mar 2013

The archbishop of Buenos Aires is a Jesuit intellectual who travels by bus and has a practical approach to poverty: when he was appointed a cardinal, Bergoglio persuaded hundreds of Argentinians not to fly to Rome to celebrate with him but instead to give the money they would have spent on plane tickets to the poor. He was a fierce opponent of Argentinas decision to legalise gay marriage in 2010, arguing children need to have the right to be raised and educated by a father and a mother. He was created a cardinal by John Paul II on 21 February 2001.

believes in contraception to prevent the spread of disease
is open to dialogue with other faiths
is not facing questions over any abuse scandals
is not facing questions over the handling of the Vatileaks scandal
would make reforming the curia a priority

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/mar/12/choose-your-own-pope-pontifficator#jorge_mario_bergoglio

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New pope is Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio [View all] Stinky The Clown Mar 2013 OP

Is that a white dude? snooper2 Mar 2013 #1

Argentina "disappeared" most indigenous peoples. Divernan Mar 2013 #90

He's 76;staunchly opposes Abortion/Contraception/Gay Marriage -what a guy! Divernan Mar 2013 #108

Any record of new pope ever opposing torture of children/parents? Divernan Mar 2013 #122

It's not a long history. Just the last couple of centuries or so. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #185

Both of his parents are Italians (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #116

It depends on how you define "white" marshall Mar 2013 #144

He's white. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #165

It's actually a topic of great discussion marshall Mar 2013 #213

Italy is a country not a race. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #215

Race is socially constructed marshall Mar 2013 #216

what about the Italians that live closer to Germany? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #217

Yes, that it is nonsense is the point marshall Mar 2013 #218

Yes, he is white. You got a problem with that? Beacool Mar 2013 #219

lol snooper2 Mar 2013 #220

It's just that people in our country think that we are the only white people Beacool Mar 2013 #222

Interesting - he was nowheres near the top of the list, and a Jesuit TrogL Mar 2013 #2

I had him seeded at #4 on my bracket. rucky Mar 2013 #211

Hey an Italian Argentine! CTyankee Mar 2013 #3

Consolation prize for losing the Falklands vote. 24601 Mar 2013 #150

It sounds like all the Italian guys just couldn't go all the way and found this happy CTyankee Mar 2013 #155

Pope Francis Hissyspit Mar 2013 #4

at least the horned-one is gone tomm2thumbs Mar 2013 #151

Wonder if he will be mulish? whistler162 Mar 2013 #176

so much for Peter The Roman Cush Mar 2013 #5

I know,...the Rapture Types are throwing things. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #14

I know, aint it nice for a change? Volaris Mar 2013 #166

Yeah, like the Church admiting the world isn't flat. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #178

He picked the name Pope Francis I meow2u3 Mar 2013 #6

Animals? Wabbajack_ Mar 2013 #55

St Francis is Liberalynn Mar 2013 #65

I pray only to God. El Supremo Mar 2013 #71

What would your jayhawk say? Renew Deal Mar 2013 #82

That is a fictional animal. El Supremo Mar 2013 #87

Fictional. There is some irony there. nt Lucky Luciano Mar 2013 #107

We pray to Bill Self Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #114

Will Self, you mean? Butt? Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #188

Many do pray only to God Liberalynn Mar 2013 #84

The Reformed Churches find that completely false. El Supremo Mar 2013 #93

What about the Virgin Mary? gateley Mar 2013 #177

Isn't that a drink? n/m El Supremo Mar 2013 #203

So: No Church. More clean. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #192

I pray to my dogs. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #125

+1! El Supremo Mar 2013 #139

I like that Liberalynn Mar 2013 #168

I pray to my cat. She IS God. lastlib Mar 2013 #173

Cats ask for no prayers. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #196

No, but they most assuredly demand fealty. lastlib Mar 2013 #200

Cats demand nothing. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #204

obviously, you never met my cat....... lastlib Mar 2013 #205

That's just 'cos you want to... Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #206

Which one? amuse bouche Mar 2013 #141

Well then maybe that means we will get a better herd of politicians next election. Volaris Mar 2013 #167

One can only hope Liberalynn Mar 2013 #170

Very cool, er, legend, the St. Francis story. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #68

Francis of Assisi OhioChick Mar 2013 #78

Not that one ... Old Union Guy Mar 2013 #172

Not from what I've heard OhioChick Mar 2013 #187

Wrong Francis. nt msanthrope Mar 2013 #179

A Jesuit. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #7

Then he has sworn to obey himself. n/t aristocles Mar 2013 #15

The first Jesuit Pope ever. Is that significant? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #19

IMHO, it makes him a bit of a rebel. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #23

Jesuits tend to be more intellectual, slightly less conservative. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #25

Is it too much to hope for a fact-based Papacy? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #34

Still pretty anti-gay, anti-choice, etc. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #37

As it relates to gay issues, you're probably not going to find anyone in the hiearchy... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #42

I totally agree. But as I said in another post, we can hope he will NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #46

Isn't uncontrolled 'gay-ism' precisely the main problem, uh, Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #85

"And the Church is always going to be vocal against abortion." yellowcanine Mar 2013 #96

Except for a few Jesuits who are Opus Dei. i don't understand that. SharonAnn Mar 2013 #76

Since this guy conspired with the Argentinian dictator RainDog Mar 2013 #186

Uhhhh; greiner3 Mar 2013 #131

At a certain point, you have to realize the past is the past. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #135

""COUGH"" Inqusition <==> "Homeland Security" Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #198

#goodoldboysnetwork. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #175

Holding something that happened five hundred years ago against someone today is silly. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #193

No, they we not. a la izquierda Mar 2013 #201

The Jebbies are the intellectual leaders of the Catholic Church aristocles Mar 2013 #32

The Counter Reformation included the Roman Inquisition. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #62

He doesn't appear to have a history of trying to convert people. musical_soul Mar 2013 #124

Maybe not, but there was talk before the Conclave about choosing a Latin American yellowcanine Mar 2013 #129

Watched on ABC and Diane Sawyer says Pope Francis has a degree in Chemistry Liberalynn Mar 2013 #72

I agree, Jesuits are very much the rebels. I graduated from Rockhurst University a Jesuit run Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #95

This individual was a chemist with a Ph.D in philosophy jumptheshadow Mar 2013 #136

REALLY?! fascisthunter Mar 2013 #189

Almost every Argentinian is a white dude. AngryAmish Mar 2013 #8

Pretty much. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #12

Although, to be fair, a little more than half of Argentinians are dudettes... AngryAmish Mar 2013 #16

Like the British colony to the North, they killed the Native Americans Coyotl Mar 2013 #58

Yeah. Centuries after the 'discovery' of the Americas, the N. American racist Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #80

the Spanish conquest preceeded the English by over 100 years n/t Bacchus4.0 Mar 2013 #119

Indeed. Well over 100 years. And was never overtly Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #121

Described as a champion of the poor. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #9

Watch out, Paul Ryan! meow2u3 Mar 2013 #109

Good. I think I can live with this. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #10

Grand Moff Tarkin? baldguy Mar 2013 #11

Bwah! LeftOfSelf-Centered Mar 2013 #41

He has a degree in chemistry. n/t aristocles Mar 2013 #13

Here's a little info gvstn Mar 2013 #17

The Guardian's bio: muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #18

So except for the condom thingy he cliffordu Mar 2013 #24

He doesn't support contraception. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #26

Hm. I'm reserving judgment because the Vatican is political as they come... AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #30

How will Paul Ryan & Rand Paul reconcile 'believes in contraception' with their 'person-hood' mania? freshwest Mar 2013 #57

The 'to prevent the spread of disease' means only when a spouse has HIV muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #73

So they expect them to use condoms, and allow for non-reproductive sex? freshwest Mar 2013 #117

"a lesser evil" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #126

I'm always struck by how much thought goes into their writings, as opposed to conservative drekt. freshwest Mar 2013 #134

Is this the new pope? darkangel218 Mar 2013 #183

Yup. There he is on the job in Argentina. Thought it caught more personality than some other pix. freshwest Mar 2013 #190

At least hes not so fugly as the old one. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #191

We may all get that scary if we reach that age, poor man. freshwest Mar 2013 #197

Maybe they get cookies? darkangel218 Mar 2013 #208

Since when does contraception prevent disease? Myrina Mar 2013 #75

I am glad it wasn't Cardinal Dolan yellowcanine Mar 2013 #20

OMG that's so funny you say that... Volaris Mar 2013 #159

South America pope seems logical riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #21

This is a complete repudiation of John Paul II AngryAmish Mar 2013 #22

This guy's a Jesuit? Stinky The Clown Mar 2013 #29

It is interesting. On many fronts. n/t AngryOldDem Mar 2013 #33

John Paul 2 made him a cardinal Renew Deal Mar 2013 #49

or, mayhaps, CHARLES Xavier...? Volaris Mar 2013 #161

You may be right. Laelth Mar 2013 #180

No his namesake is St. Francis of Assisi according to numerous news outlets. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2013 #181

wee. 2naSalit Mar 2013 #27

may have something to do with no sex olddots Mar 2013 #61

Most married guys I know look the same way, so maybe you're on to something. cbdo2007 Mar 2013 #81

Are you trying to tell us something? TrogL Mar 2013 #83

Makes ya think... Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #94

At least he isnt swinging his clasped hands above his head from left to right, like Muhammad Ali. secondwind Mar 2013 #28

I'm not Catholic, but congrats to the people on here! erinlough Mar 2013 #31

why this is BAD NEWS DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #35

I wonder if they all had those white outfits made up arikara Mar 2013 #36

They have 4-5 suits in a range of sizes ready to go, and a taylor on hand to make alterations. baldguy Mar 2013 #45

Good. Finally the side show is over. n/t RebelOne Mar 2013 #38

Yawn....... magic59 Mar 2013 #39

This does no look promising :( gvstn Mar 2013 #40

No one was going to be different there, sad to say. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #44

I agree Renew Deal Mar 2013 #54

Considering gvstn Mar 2013 #59

"Liberal" in the church hierarchy is relative. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #70

I don't know much about this guy, I am surprised it is a Jesuit Marrah_G Mar 2013 #43

Interesting news CPX7700 Mar 2013 #47

Looks like the Catholic church found their Marco Rubio! Walk away Mar 2013 #48

Well his Italian sounds fine ucrdem Mar 2013 #50

They said his father was Italian. okwmember Mar 2013 #66

Ah. ucrdem Mar 2013 #86

Argentina was very welcoming to Germans/Italians after WWII. Divernan Mar 2013 #142

Half billion Catholics? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #162

Ok I just checked wiki and 33 million seems a fair estimate: ucrdem Mar 2013 #171

Good for the Catholic Church Hulk Mar 2013 #51

Elected 31313 donheld Mar 2013 #52

Interesting Renew Deal Mar 2013 #60

No, elected 13313 (outside USA). Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #100

1+3+3+1+3= 11 darkangel218 Mar 2013 #209

76 years old???!!! earthside Mar 2013 #53

What is wrong with being 76 years old? RebelOne Mar 2013 #63

It means he is a man of the last century. earthside Mar 2013 #104

Pope John XXIII was considered by many to be too old as well. And he only served less than 5 years. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #127

And a lot of people think that's why we will never see his like again in our lifetimes... Volaris Mar 2013 #169

After Pope John Paul II lasted like 26 years, they said they wanted shorter reigns Ter Mar 2013 #212

Big issue in 21st century is precisely: work for those of us who've had our pensions stolen Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #103

Regarding homosexuality, he wrote in a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires: Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #56

That's discouraging Onlooker Mar 2013 #77

Same sex marriage: "a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive" AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #64

Another bigot, I'm not surprised. n/t nonoyes Mar 2013 #69

785 followers on Twitter before today, now 22,000+ nonoyes Mar 2013 #67

As a former Catholic, Italian heritage woman, HockeyMom Mar 2013 #74

Good choice. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #105

Pope Francis I Laelth Mar 2013 #79

I am also betting on Francis Xavier JohninPA Mar 2013 #97

I am glad to hear that the Jesuits are reformed. Laelth Mar 2013 #147

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #88

So progressive of you. JohninPA Mar 2013 #99

His post IS progressive. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #113

Not so much anti-Catholic in origin as pro people everywhere, I suspect. toby jo Mar 2013 #133

Thoughtful post. Laelth Mar 2013 #182

"We are living post 2nd coming?!?" Reno Master Mar 2013 #199

a deeply thoughtful response sure to generate further discussion. n/t Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #102

Its days like today that make me become a more orthodox atheist . olddots Mar 2013 #89

His Wikipedia page was purged about 10 minutes after he came out on to that patio thing. apnu Mar 2013 #91

Wikipedia is sooo wonderful, isn't it? /sarc Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #98

Copied & Archived. Thanks. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #106

Thanks for finding this. I found this part interesting: freshwest Mar 2013 #128

Are we ever going to see a black Pope bigdarryl Mar 2013 #92

Not sure that race should have anything to do with it. JohninPA Mar 2013 #101

We're lucky it wasn't the African; he was even more conservative.. Moonwalk Mar 2013 #143

Halfway there? hedgehog Mar 2013 #115

Msnbc said Catholism is up 7000% in Africa olddots Mar 2013 #145

"during dictatorship...he was very cozy with the military" nonoyes Mar 2013 #110

Barf. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #111

Does this mean the Cardinals are sticking it to the Brits on the Falklands? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #112

Reuters had this to say about the name 'Francis' earlier: Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #118

First Jesuit priest. musical_soul Mar 2013 #120

Yeah, nothing says poverty like hiding prisoners in your vacation home. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #138

The allegations were denied and never proven. musical_soul Mar 2013 #158

It gets tossed out the window here if it lets people feel rightous and indignant. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #194

Because he'd happily declare to have done it? jeff47 Mar 2013 #214

He's against poverty? Can't wait for him to endorse birth control!!! Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #164

I hope the Pope brings progressive Reform to the Roman Catholic church TNLib Mar 2013 #123

I wouldn't expect anything too drastic, but... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #137

Pity the woman who marries a closeted and probably perverted Catholic gay priest husband. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #152

Umm, what makes you think that a married man who wants to be a priest..... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #157

No. I follow you. Almost all current Catholic priests are unmarried... Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #184

So basically, another Italian pope. earthside Mar 2013 #130

Meet the new Pope - same as the old Pope. DinahMoeHum Mar 2013 #132

At least now there's a Pope who doesn't look like a total creep Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #140

Really, "looks like ..." HuckleB Mar 2013 #202

Well, he ain't the Stanford Cardinal. 24601 Mar 2013 #146

OK, folks. My prediction: JDPriestly Mar 2013 #148

Hombre. Ghost Dog Mar 2013 #153

How is a filthy rich guy in a fancy gown the "voice of the poor"? nt valerief Mar 2013 #149

Some info that you might not have heard yet, below Tx4obama Mar 2013 #154

Thanks, but when he's Mother Theresa, I'll listen. nt valerief Mar 2013 #156

She wasn't all that great either. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #163

oh no not another George klyon Mar 2013 #160

DISAPPOINTED! Once again,... johnfunk Mar 2013 #174

I couldn't remember his name earlier and said "It's something like Cornholio, but Italian so it ends slackmaster Mar 2013 #195

I thought I had a shot, but alas, I just didn't have the votes. Seems a little suspect to me... olddad56 Mar 2013 #207

Francis, eh? Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2013 #210

Let me explain some things to all of you who have never been to Argentina. Beacool Mar 2013 #221