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7. Then it would not be an effective self defense option...

Reply to slackmaster (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:37 PM

Feb 2013

therein lies the problem.

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Sebastian Swartz, 9-Year-Old Boy, Dead After Shooting Himself With Father's Gun In Ohio [View all] Judi Lynn Feb 2013 OP

The dad may not have been adequately trained in gun safety. The basics should be taught in school. slackmaster Feb 2013 #1

NO WAY. I don't want to waste school time with guns. Fresh_Start Feb 2013 #3

Thanks. a la izquierda Feb 2013 #47

Truly amazing response...a gun in the home is like...well, a loaded gun... JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #6

That's commonly called the "body count fallacy" slackmaster Feb 2013 #16

Fallacy? CANDO Feb 2013 #49

Bullshit. You should have to demonstrate proficiency BEFORE you can purchase a gun. Period. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #9

Since when does passing a driver's test prevent reckless driving? JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #11

If you are reckless, you get ticketed. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #12

Won't happen as long as politicians lick the boots of the NRA... JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #14

I described what I think should happen. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #17

It does prevent reckless driving, it does not stop it but it does prevent it Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #23

Thank you!! primavera Feb 2013 #64

You're not going to get your way on that. We don't have to prove proficiency before we can vote, slackmaster Feb 2013 #18

The Next Time A Ballot Is Used To Turn A School Into A Slaughterhouse..... Paladin Feb 2013 #34

Generaly speaking, you usually do not get knocked in the head or shot through the heart juajen Feb 2013 #37

Those pesky facts roxy1234 Feb 2013 #58

Actually we didn't vote for Bush Fumesucker Feb 2013 #65

You're allowed to vote for National Socialist parties, join the KKK, publish racist propaganda, etc. harmonicon Feb 2013 #72

Yes, we are: owning a gun and casting a vote are in no way comparable, for one thing; apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #97

The term "well-regulated militia' comes to mind. sofa king Mar 2013 #107

But if we require that they actually show some responsibility we are violating their Squinch Feb 2013 #59

That's the crux of the problem, alright primavera Feb 2013 #62

Pass. City Lights Feb 2013 #21

No, what they need to do is Politicalboi Feb 2013 #22

There are a lot of wishful but impotent "should" statements in that short paragraph. slackmaster Feb 2013 #25

Um, small point. The Dad did not shoot himself. A 9 year old did. MichiganVote Feb 2013 #27

The boy shot himself because his father failed to adequately secure his weapon. slackmaster Feb 2013 #29

I think that's an obvious point. MichiganVote Feb 2013 #32

Maybe in your family... FarPoint Feb 2013 #31

Teaching kids how to be safe is not teaching them any kind of negative culture. slackmaster Feb 2013 #33

I understand you safety education training goals. FarPoint Feb 2013 #38

I'm with you on driver's ed. There are so many bad drivers on the road now. slackmaster Feb 2013 #39

If I had kids I would teach them to be safe by teaching them to stay away from guns Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #40

Sooner or later they would grow up and no longer be under your control slackmaster Feb 2013 #41

No they would not be under my control, but they would be educated about guns Bjorn Against Feb 2013 #45

Should children also be taught to disarm bombs? (nt) harmonicon Feb 2013 #73

Only if they really want to be taught to disarm bombs slackmaster Feb 2013 #74

So why do you think guns should be different? harmonicon Feb 2013 #75

Guns have a multitude of applications, and can be used safely with proper training. slackmaster Mar 2013 #83

There is basically no situation where that will happen. harmonicon Mar 2013 #84

Target shooting and collecting are the most common uses for firearms slackmaster Mar 2013 #85

You know, there's a far more simple solution than what you suggest. harmonicon Mar 2013 #88

Would you allow your children to ride bicycles in the street, or drive cars? slackmaster Mar 2013 #93

I really don't give a shit what you do with guns in your own house. harmonicon Mar 2013 #99

My reference to transportation was in regard to your claim that you would try to prevent your child slackmaster Mar 2013 #101

I was being serious. It wasn't meant as an ad hominem attack. harmonicon Mar 2013 #102

I'm not trying to equate weapons with vehicles. I'm talking about probabilities. slackmaster Mar 2013 #103

There is one way to mitigating risk involving guns that is foolproof: harmonicon Mar 2013 #105

Wrong. The dad should never have been allowed to take possession of a gun kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #35

More wishful thinking "should" statements. You don't have to get psych tested or take a course... slackmaster Feb 2013 #36

no, the basics should be taught at the point-of-sale.. frylock Feb 2013 #43

The only safety education being advocated here consists of: AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #46

If you want to have a gun, do this on your own time and with your own dime. It's your hobby, Squinch Feb 2013 #53

Did you not read a word I just said? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #63

Herein lies the problem. Squinch Mar 2013 #86

Let me stop you right there. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #87

OK, let's replace pro gun with pro driving a car. Squinch Mar 2013 #89

The more numerous example of the negligent gun owner in the home AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #92

Well, hot damn! Squinch Mar 2013 #94

Not only that AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #95

. Squinch Mar 2013 #96

You know we're not allowed to come to an agreement right? AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #98

I would joke that something like that happened in Fla, but it's too sad what happened to that guy. Squinch Mar 2013 #100

As it has been mentioned before... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #44

Gosh. We're shocked, shocked I tell you, that you feel the need to say this and thereby Squinch Feb 2013 #51

I never said it was the responsibility of anyone but the gun owner. I'm suggesting... slackmaster Feb 2013 #52

You are saying the schools should teach how to be safe around your hobby. Squinch Feb 2013 #54

It's not about me. slackmaster Feb 2013 #55

Would that class apply to any and all products... LanternWaste Feb 2013 #67

Like drugs, sex, and cars, improperly handled firearms pose an extraordinary hazard to people slackmaster Feb 2013 #69

Covering the subject in a health/wellness class would be a good idea Blandocyte Feb 2013 #70

Teaching is like giving a young person a tool. The tool gets put into the toolbox, and may never... slackmaster Feb 2013 #71

every person who buys or already owns a gun should be required to be licensed magical thyme Feb 2013 #78

The rights to drive, hunt, fish, clam, dig worms, and take lobstahs aren't enumerated in the Bill... slackmaster Mar 2013 #79

the bill of rights does not necessarily preclude licensing or regulation magical thyme Mar 2013 #80

I'd like to hear the answer to that one, too primavera Mar 2013 #81

No, federal law prohibits sale of a long gun to anyone under 18. For handguns, 21. slackmaster Mar 2013 #82

if the federal government can regulate gun sales magical thyme Mar 2013 #106

Unfortunately, lots of so-called responsible gun owners are just a tragedy waiting to happen. Hoyt Mar 2013 #104

This boy would still be alive if there was not a gun in the house. LonePirate Feb 2013 #2

...or if the weapon had been properly secured out of reach of the child. slackmaster Feb 2013 #4

Then it would not be an effective self defense option... JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #7

Decatur looks like a wide spot in the road (literally). secondvariety Feb 2013 #20

The problem is not that there is an actual need for the weapon... JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #24

Which leads to a secondvariety Feb 2013 #28

Actually, after talking to several gun owners that I know, juajen Feb 2013 #42

They sound like a bunch of doofs Dash87 Feb 2013 #60

is it paranoia? bossy22 Feb 2013 #50

The Dad should be tried and sent to prison randr Feb 2013 #5

sure, just like death penalties curtail homicide... JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #8

And clearly life in prison is no deterent either. Let's drop all laws about murder. JoePhilly Feb 2013 #10

Try following the discussion...the poster claimed that death penalties would prevent JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #13

If you own a gun, and some one else is killed accidentaly because of your neglegence ... JoePhilly Feb 2013 #15

Maybe we should give people prizes when they commit murder. Because of that incarceration Squinch Feb 2013 #57

It's not always about deterrence. secondvariety Feb 2013 #19

Negligence is not usually prosecuted in our society... JoeBlowToo Feb 2013 #26

Criminally negligent manslaughter secondvariety Feb 2013 #30

My initial reaction, which continures to this moment, randr Feb 2013 #66

Not the death penalty, but yes, a jail penalty for the death that occurred as a result of his Squinch Feb 2013 #56

This is horrible sad and tragic story ... brett_jv Feb 2013 #48

A sensible proposal for a legislative solution Nevernose Feb 2013 #61

Gun sales already include locks. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #76

Lock up your guns people. My kids are 7 and 8. If I had a gun it would be totally locked away Jennicut Feb 2013 #68

I store my shotgun seperately from the shells for it, the former in a locked safe. I cannot imagine apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #91

Thanks. Jennicut Mar 2013 #108

The father should go to prison. avebury Feb 2013 #77

Tragic. The cost of unregulated gun fetishism in this country claims another life. Some jerk can't apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #90