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slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
163. Of couse Congress can regulate it, based on the Interstate Commerce clause
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:19 PM
Feb 2013

The same justification that serves as the federal government's regulation of agriculture and pretty much everything else it regulates. I have never claimed otherwise.

If Congress can regulate fully automatic machine guns, then they can regulate semiautomatic guns.

Please explain how this is wrong.


It isn't wrong, it's just off topic with respect to this sub-thread that started with you declaring in reply #17 that people don't have the right to own some arbitrary class of firearms that isn't even defined.

BTW, manufacturing of and commerce in all firearms is regulated.

I find the opposite to be true Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #1
Sorry but the AR15 should be banned and illegal, ease of use or no. n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #3
I was commenting on his assertion. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #5
disagree Deep13 Feb 2013 #104
Much as a disagreement should be aimed towards a relevant and stated premise LanternWaste Feb 2013 #122
Trust me,... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #126
Some would take away choices while saying that women should not own firearms for self-defense. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #11
So an AR-15 semi-automatic is now a "woman's right" issue? Hugabear Feb 2013 #15
Whether you believe yourself to have superior knowledge as to what is best for home defense, AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #25
So what did all those women do during the AWB ban? Hugabear Feb 2013 #55
I'm sure some purchased semi-auto carbines (AR-15s, AKs, etc.) during the "AWB ban." Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #76
Agree. The ban should not be based upon "looks." Ban all semi-autos, including Hoyt Feb 2013 #118
Because they're scared? bitchkitty Feb 2013 #142
Thank you for making the case for the slippery slope... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #207
I'd be happy to do the psych exam Shivering Jemmy Feb 2013 #227
In a close neighbor hood an AR15 is one oldbanjo Feb 2013 #145
You are correct indie9197 Feb 2013 #169
Exactly. OGKush Feb 2013 #176
yes, IMO there are better weapons bossy22 Feb 2013 #36
I still think he's right zipplewrath Feb 2013 #20
a standard 18" pump action shotgun will do the trick bossy22 Feb 2013 #26
Yeah, poorly stated zipplewrath Feb 2013 #34
The police are fighting the same people that you will be fighting if they don't show up oldbanjo Feb 2013 #151
The youth model takes care of those drawbacks and is legal. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #53
Horseshit, you need to ame a shotgun if you oldbanjo Feb 2013 #152
But you don't have to aim an AR-15? Hugabear Feb 2013 #175
A shot gun has to be aimed at close range just like a rifle. oldbanjo Feb 2013 #149
A youth model 20 gauge doesn't require a lot of upper body strength and is easier to yellowcanine Feb 2013 #46
I disagree. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #98
A light 20 gauge shotgun will kick harder than a oldbanjo Feb 2013 #153
+1 darkangel218 Feb 2013 #81
try a smaller shottie pasto76 Feb 2013 #120
Of course what you WANT is a round moving around the house at 2500 feet per second..... cliffordu Feb 2013 #135
if you are talking about weight. timdog44 Feb 2013 #157
With due respect, a 20 gauge is easy for anyone to handle. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #173
Maybe an MS exception? treestar Feb 2013 #224
Here we go... Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #2
But what's easier to kill Kindergartners with? nt onehandle Feb 2013 #4
Not sure. ag_dude Feb 2013 #6
Sorry, innocent children's right to live trumps your right to own a military grade weapon Taverner Feb 2013 #14
Is "military grade" the new meme? hack89 Feb 2013 #23
My Kalashnikov is definitely military-grade - and perfectly Constitutional derby378 Feb 2013 #35
Very precious salt for the wounds of twenty dead six year school children. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #127
You can use those kids as props all you want... derby378 Feb 2013 #185
Here comes the gun-lobby to once again quibble over common-sense terminology Hugabear Feb 2013 #80
well I guess an AR-15 does not meet that Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #111
thats still a bad definition bossy22 Feb 2013 #121
AR-15s are a 50 year old design hack89 Feb 2013 #141
If it's "merely" a rifle... Hugabear Feb 2013 #159
By its truest factual definition it is a rifle bossy22 Feb 2013 #162
Add to that Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #165
Why don't you ask them? hack89 Feb 2013 #168
A shotgun was used for hunting now oldbanjo Feb 2013 #155
So you want my deer rifle, eh? sir pball Feb 2013 #193
Don't pretend to be stupid Taverner Feb 2013 #205
They are meaningless, made up terms hack89 Feb 2013 #206
So Ruger found a loophole Taverner Feb 2013 #209
There is nothing uniquely military about semiautomatic weapons. hack89 Feb 2013 #213
what is a military grade weapon? bossy22 Feb 2013 #28
By that logic, should be ban alcohol. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #101
why the hell not? frylock Feb 2013 #138
They tried that once before and it oldbanjo Feb 2013 #156
Logic treestar Feb 2013 #225
You do not have a "right" to an assault weapon Hugabear Feb 2013 #17
cough slackmaster Feb 2013 #31
Show me where that was used by a federal court to strike down the AWB Hugabear Feb 2013 #60
The AWB evaporated on its own accord, as it was designed to do slackmaster Feb 2013 #68
And the 2nd Amendment gives Congress the power to REGULATE ownership of firearms Hugabear Feb 2013 #74
No. Like the rest of the Bill of Rights it limits the power of Congress. Read the preamble. slackmaster Feb 2013 #83
So then Congress does NOT have the power to regulate firearm ownership at all? Hugabear Feb 2013 #96
Looks like logic is another one of your not-so-strong subjects slackmaster Feb 2013 #109
Either Congress can or cannot regulate gun ownership Hugabear Feb 2013 #161
Of couse Congress can regulate it, based on the Interstate Commerce clause slackmaster Feb 2013 #163
So Congress absolutely can regulate ownership of assault weapons Hugabear Feb 2013 #164
They are just smart enough to talk about it but not actually do anything. hack89 Feb 2013 #170
Yes, I'm well aware of the NRA's stranglehold on Congress Hugabear Feb 2013 #174
It is the voters and not the NRA that concerns Congress hack89 Feb 2013 #183
I've never said anything to the contrary. slackmaster Feb 2013 #188
Except by "regulate" you seem to mean "prohibit" sir pball Feb 2013 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2013 #143
At least he didn't shoot you. n/t bitchkitty Feb 2013 #214
Well, since nobody has got around to defining "assault weapon" in the first place... derby378 Feb 2013 #38
what do your rights have to do with your wants? frylock Feb 2013 #137
It's a good thing that criminals NEVER use shotguns to commit multiple homicides slackmaster Feb 2013 #192
With a Shotgun SCVDem Feb 2013 #7
There's no other sound like a 12ga being racked. Light House Feb 2013 #9
You don't rack a double-barrel though. NT NickB79 Feb 2013 #19
Well, ya kinda do if you put it in a rack. Light House Feb 2013 #22
Some have experienced jamming while using Winchester shells -- even with an otherwise reliable 870. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #30
I didn't know this. Light House Feb 2013 #32
Rem 870 formercia Feb 2013 #33
Sorry. Light House Feb 2013 #41
No problem formercia Feb 2013 #49
quite possibly the best overall home defense weapon bossy22 Feb 2013 #58
Do you mean Remington Model 870? I have 2 of those, among others. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #85
My mistake. Light House Feb 2013 #89
Saw it, no problem! Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #102
Thats a Remington 870. oldbanjo Feb 2013 #158
Thanks. Light House Feb 2013 #166
I have NEVER understood the fascination with pump shotguns Xithras Feb 2013 #215
Sounds like a very nice shotgun. Light House Feb 2013 #219
Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #182
Do YOU feel lucky? SCVDem Feb 2013 #197
Marines know what they have been trained with. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #210
I know I served in the Marines. SCVDem Feb 2013 #211
"I know I served in the Marines." ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #212
Thank you for the advice, Elmer Fudd NickB79 Feb 2013 #8
Biden should realize that if a 12ga coachman was better than a pump, the police would be using them. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #12
Police have lots of weapons that civilians do not need, like AR-15 assault rifles mwrguy Feb 2013 #37
Logically correct bossy22 Feb 2013 #44
All lethal weapons mwrguy Feb 2013 #57
The fallacy in your logic is that bossy22 Feb 2013 #61
Very few law abiding citizens have to deal with home invaders mwrguy Feb 2013 #77
Very few people ever have to deal with a fire in their home bossy22 Feb 2013 #97
In Chicago, cops do not respond to all 911 calls. This includes burglaries, unless a homeowner has AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #119
You're kidding, Light House Feb 2013 #66
Ban them, then eventually the bad guys won't have any. mwrguy Feb 2013 #73
You mean like alcohol during prohibition? Light House Feb 2013 #84
And once we get alcohol off the streets we won't have alcoholics. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #78
nobody has a physical addiction to assault weapons mwrguy Feb 2013 #79
You'd never know that by listening to gun-nuts - even here on DU Hugabear Feb 2013 #82
It's a fetish mwrguy Feb 2013 #87
that mentality is what is wrong in this whole debate bossy22 Feb 2013 #91
Yep. And they are the ones .... oldhippie Feb 2013 #201
oh...so its all okay if it's an addiction? bossy22 Feb 2013 #86
addiction is obviously a harder nut to crack than "I want it just because" mwrguy Feb 2013 #90
so because it's harder we shouldn't do anything about it? bossy22 Feb 2013 #105
Jailing alcoholics is insane mwrguy Feb 2013 #107
how so? bossy22 Feb 2013 #110
Prohibition was not a matter of physical addiction Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #92
Well, as said by one of the gun-controllers above, they "have to start somewhere." AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #124
Alcoholics or people under the influence treestar Feb 2013 #226
You realize some of your allies-in-gun-control say "no one is gonna take away your arms." Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #94
I'm with Dianne Feinstein, I'd love to get them all turned in at once, but mwrguy Feb 2013 #103
If you are like Dianne Feinstein, then you also own a firearm and believe that only the political AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #125
So there you have it: Prohibitionism, even as others say "no one's going to take your guns away." Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #208
I understand your position, even if Feinstein had a license to pack... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #218
What about AR-15s disqualify them from private ownership? krispos42 Feb 2013 #114
I have a 12 ga. double Hawes coachman formercia Feb 2013 #39
Plus, he told his wife if there is ever a problem... indie9197 Feb 2013 #220
How exactly is a shotgun easier to aim? NickB79 Feb 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author SCVDem Feb 2013 #13
Yes and no. formercia Feb 2013 #43
You'd need one HELL of a choke to expand a group more than that poster described. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #88
In my Double there is a lot of difference in group size formercia Feb 2013 #113
I have never seen a 2 foot spread at 10 feet even from my wife's un-choked AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #116
Wut mikeypooh Feb 2013 #136
Nothing wrong with the shotgun formercia Feb 2013 #139
Maybe if it's a rifled slug barrel sir pball Feb 2013 #195
The shotgun bore is a smooth Cylinder formercia Feb 2013 #199
That's about the only other explanation sir pball Feb 2013 #200
If it's not reliable, it doesn't get used. formercia Feb 2013 #203
Shotgun pellets scatter... IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2013 #48
This is not accurate. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #95
My BS Meter just pegged. formercia Feb 2013 #115
yeah, you have fun with that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #117
Read it and weep. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #123
Unchoked remington, 12 feet, 3.5" spread, OH I'M FULL OF BS HUH? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #128
I'm the guy with the Hawes double coach Shotgun formercia Feb 2013 #131
I also have a double barrel coach gun with the minimum legal length barrel and no choke. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #132
They need better arguments than that hack89 Feb 2013 #16
So arm our soldiers with dbl barrel shotguns, not those useless rifles! Blandocyte Feb 2013 #18
Biden is discussing Home Defense, not Combat formercia Feb 2013 #45
Apples and oranges. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #56
We do One_Life_To_Give Feb 2013 #198
If I were to get a gun for home... one_voice Feb 2013 #21
double barrel shotgun? bossy22 Feb 2013 #24
An AR-15 is much easier to use hack89 Feb 2013 #27
Easier to use, not necessarily to stop an intruder in poor light. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #62
Shot guns need to aimed very carefully hack89 Feb 2013 #140
I don't need the Vice President or anyone else telling me what I need and do not need. slackmaster Feb 2013 #29
So if you decide that you need a flame-thrower or a bazooka mwrguy Feb 2013 #42
Since neither of those happen to be regulated items, I will just sit here and laugh at your reply. slackmaster Feb 2013 #50
Flame throwers and bazookas are legal to own. Light House Feb 2013 #54
So are assault rifles, doesn't make it right. mwrguy Feb 2013 #59
Should be. Light House Feb 2013 #63
flame throwers are weapons of mass murder? bossy22 Feb 2013 #67
And gee, we even had a Constitutional amendment (the 18th) to outlaw booze derby378 Feb 2013 #71
He was asked a question and gave his opinion. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #65
I'm just responding to the opinion he expressed, as is my right. slackmaster Feb 2013 #69
And I think yours is thin skinned. So that makes it even. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #72
Next, Biden advised our men and women in uniform to trade in their rifles for shotguns derby378 Feb 2013 #40
We are capable SCVDem Feb 2013 #47
Then you're telling me I can have all the 20-round magazines I want? derby378 Feb 2013 #51
No Problem! SCVDem Feb 2013 #108
Under that reasoning, bring back quill pens and otherwise censor posts on the Internet. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #130
Exactly! derby378 Feb 2013 #186
How dare the VP have an opinion!! Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #52
An opinion from the former Senator who pushed for the change in the bankruptcy laws so that AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 Feb 2013 #64
I've never owned a gun Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #70
Civilians shouldn't be able to own anything stronger than the police have in their caches. judesedit Feb 2013 #75
that is pretty much the case now bossy22 Feb 2013 #129
Full auto is usually worthless SCVDem Feb 2013 #133
The posting and subsequent comments are all well and good, but the ignore the fundamental question.. Veilex Feb 2013 #93
Cue the gun know-it-all chorus... Politicub Feb 2013 #99
Who's thunk it? Joe Biden engenders a debate over the best home-defense firearm! Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #100
What the hell is a "semi assault weapon?" Deep13 Feb 2013 #106
How about I buy the same rifle, but without a pistol grip? krispos42 Feb 2013 #112
no, that will cause brains to explode Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #134
You make a very good point. We need to outlaw all semi-automatics. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #150
Your position is logically consistent. krispos42 Feb 2013 #167
You may be able to dance around the problem but if we can get any of these rhett o rick Feb 2013 #171
If I really wanted to kill as many people as I could sir pball Feb 2013 #196
There are an awful lot of guns intended for killing humans in the country krispos42 Feb 2013 #221
Uhm... they also sell wet water, I heard. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #222
Absolutely mwrguy Feb 2013 #179
Good for Joe Progressive dog Feb 2013 #144
From personal experience only Betsy Ross Feb 2013 #146
Well, that's what I did. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #147
I go along with Joe Pakid Feb 2013 #148
Biden is da man iandhr Feb 2013 #154
A Mossberg AS-20 Bantam semiauto shotgun is 5.5 lbs and holds 6 shells. truthisfreedom Feb 2013 #160
Pistols are a pretty good alternative to assault weapons, too. Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #172
As an alternative, sure. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #184
Obama's seccond term...is this what he wants? quadrature Feb 2013 #177
The thread title sounds likes a sales pitch... Deep13 Feb 2013 #178
A Gun is a Tool No More, No Less Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #180
I knew there was a reason he was called Ol' Shotgun Joe. (nt) harmonicon Feb 2013 #181
Gun people a question: AngryAmish Feb 2013 #187
Message auto-removed CharlieVicker Feb 2013 #191
Some debate on this, but buckshot will go through walls... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #216
subsonic 300 blk with sbr and suppressor stamps is the best HD ileus Feb 2013 #190
That's gonna be mine .... oldhippie Feb 2013 #202
Kick this for Joe and all Democrats Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #204
I kind of agree. Because it was Joe Biden, many folks felt "safe" in discussing some... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #217
W. Kamau Bell had this on "Totally Biased" last night--hilarious. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #223
A double-barrel shotgun? Beacool Feb 2013 #228
Yes, ban that shit.. and-justice-for-all Feb 2013 #229
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