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Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
101. By that logic, should be ban alcohol.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 07:23 PM
Feb 2013

Drinking and driving kills lots of people, a lot of whom are in kindergarten. Should we ban alcohol. . . . for the children.

I find the opposite to be true Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #1
Sorry but the AR15 should be banned and illegal, ease of use or no. n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #3
I was commenting on his assertion. Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #5
disagree Deep13 Feb 2013 #104
Much as a disagreement should be aimed towards a relevant and stated premise LanternWaste Feb 2013 #122
Trust me,... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #126
Some would take away choices while saying that women should not own firearms for self-defense. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #11
So an AR-15 semi-automatic is now a "woman's right" issue? Hugabear Feb 2013 #15
Whether you believe yourself to have superior knowledge as to what is best for home defense, AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #25
So what did all those women do during the AWB ban? Hugabear Feb 2013 #55
I'm sure some purchased semi-auto carbines (AR-15s, AKs, etc.) during the "AWB ban." Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #76
Agree. The ban should not be based upon "looks." Ban all semi-autos, including Hoyt Feb 2013 #118
Because they're scared? bitchkitty Feb 2013 #142
Thank you for making the case for the slippery slope... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #207
I'd be happy to do the psych exam Shivering Jemmy Feb 2013 #227
In a close neighbor hood an AR15 is one oldbanjo Feb 2013 #145
You are correct indie9197 Feb 2013 #169
Exactly. OGKush Feb 2013 #176
yes, IMO there are better weapons bossy22 Feb 2013 #36
I still think he's right zipplewrath Feb 2013 #20
a standard 18" pump action shotgun will do the trick bossy22 Feb 2013 #26
Yeah, poorly stated zipplewrath Feb 2013 #34
The police are fighting the same people that you will be fighting if they don't show up oldbanjo Feb 2013 #151
The youth model takes care of those drawbacks and is legal. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #53
Horseshit, you need to ame a shotgun if you oldbanjo Feb 2013 #152
But you don't have to aim an AR-15? Hugabear Feb 2013 #175
A shot gun has to be aimed at close range just like a rifle. oldbanjo Feb 2013 #149
A youth model 20 gauge doesn't require a lot of upper body strength and is easier to yellowcanine Feb 2013 #46
I disagree. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #98
A light 20 gauge shotgun will kick harder than a oldbanjo Feb 2013 #153
+1 darkangel218 Feb 2013 #81
try a smaller shottie pasto76 Feb 2013 #120
Of course what you WANT is a round moving around the house at 2500 feet per second..... cliffordu Feb 2013 #135
if you are talking about weight. timdog44 Feb 2013 #157
With due respect, a 20 gauge is easy for anyone to handle. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #173
Maybe an MS exception? treestar Feb 2013 #224
Here we go... Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #2
But what's easier to kill Kindergartners with? nt onehandle Feb 2013 #4
Not sure. ag_dude Feb 2013 #6
Sorry, innocent children's right to live trumps your right to own a military grade weapon Taverner Feb 2013 #14
Is "military grade" the new meme? hack89 Feb 2013 #23
My Kalashnikov is definitely military-grade - and perfectly Constitutional derby378 Feb 2013 #35
Very precious salt for the wounds of twenty dead six year school children. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #127
You can use those kids as props all you want... derby378 Feb 2013 #185
Here comes the gun-lobby to once again quibble over common-sense terminology Hugabear Feb 2013 #80
well I guess an AR-15 does not meet that Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #111
thats still a bad definition bossy22 Feb 2013 #121
AR-15s are a 50 year old design hack89 Feb 2013 #141
If it's "merely" a rifle... Hugabear Feb 2013 #159
By its truest factual definition it is a rifle bossy22 Feb 2013 #162
Add to that Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #165
Why don't you ask them? hack89 Feb 2013 #168
A shotgun was used for hunting now oldbanjo Feb 2013 #155
So you want my deer rifle, eh? sir pball Feb 2013 #193
Don't pretend to be stupid Taverner Feb 2013 #205
They are meaningless, made up terms hack89 Feb 2013 #206
So Ruger found a loophole Taverner Feb 2013 #209
There is nothing uniquely military about semiautomatic weapons. hack89 Feb 2013 #213
what is a military grade weapon? bossy22 Feb 2013 #28
By that logic, should be ban alcohol. Travis_0004 Feb 2013 #101
why the hell not? frylock Feb 2013 #138
They tried that once before and it oldbanjo Feb 2013 #156
Logic treestar Feb 2013 #225
You do not have a "right" to an assault weapon Hugabear Feb 2013 #17
cough slackmaster Feb 2013 #31
Show me where that was used by a federal court to strike down the AWB Hugabear Feb 2013 #60
The AWB evaporated on its own accord, as it was designed to do slackmaster Feb 2013 #68
And the 2nd Amendment gives Congress the power to REGULATE ownership of firearms Hugabear Feb 2013 #74
No. Like the rest of the Bill of Rights it limits the power of Congress. Read the preamble. slackmaster Feb 2013 #83
So then Congress does NOT have the power to regulate firearm ownership at all? Hugabear Feb 2013 #96
Looks like logic is another one of your not-so-strong subjects slackmaster Feb 2013 #109
Either Congress can or cannot regulate gun ownership Hugabear Feb 2013 #161
Of couse Congress can regulate it, based on the Interstate Commerce clause slackmaster Feb 2013 #163
So Congress absolutely can regulate ownership of assault weapons Hugabear Feb 2013 #164
They are just smart enough to talk about it but not actually do anything. hack89 Feb 2013 #170
Yes, I'm well aware of the NRA's stranglehold on Congress Hugabear Feb 2013 #174
It is the voters and not the NRA that concerns Congress hack89 Feb 2013 #183
I've never said anything to the contrary. slackmaster Feb 2013 #188
Except by "regulate" you seem to mean "prohibit" sir pball Feb 2013 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2013 #143
At least he didn't shoot you. n/t bitchkitty Feb 2013 #214
Well, since nobody has got around to defining "assault weapon" in the first place... derby378 Feb 2013 #38
what do your rights have to do with your wants? frylock Feb 2013 #137
It's a good thing that criminals NEVER use shotguns to commit multiple homicides slackmaster Feb 2013 #192
With a Shotgun SCVDem Feb 2013 #7
There's no other sound like a 12ga being racked. Light House Feb 2013 #9
You don't rack a double-barrel though. NT NickB79 Feb 2013 #19
Well, ya kinda do if you put it in a rack. Light House Feb 2013 #22
Some have experienced jamming while using Winchester shells -- even with an otherwise reliable 870. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #30
I didn't know this. Light House Feb 2013 #32
Rem 870 formercia Feb 2013 #33
Sorry. Light House Feb 2013 #41
No problem formercia Feb 2013 #49
quite possibly the best overall home defense weapon bossy22 Feb 2013 #58
Do you mean Remington Model 870? I have 2 of those, among others. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #85
My mistake. Light House Feb 2013 #89
Saw it, no problem! Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #102
Thats a Remington 870. oldbanjo Feb 2013 #158
Thanks. Light House Feb 2013 #166
I have NEVER understood the fascination with pump shotguns Xithras Feb 2013 #215
Sounds like a very nice shotgun. Light House Feb 2013 #219
Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #182
Do YOU feel lucky? SCVDem Feb 2013 #197
Marines know what they have been trained with. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #210
I know I served in the Marines. SCVDem Feb 2013 #211
"I know I served in the Marines." ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #212
Thank you for the advice, Elmer Fudd NickB79 Feb 2013 #8
Biden should realize that if a 12ga coachman was better than a pump, the police would be using them. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #12
Police have lots of weapons that civilians do not need, like AR-15 assault rifles mwrguy Feb 2013 #37
Logically correct bossy22 Feb 2013 #44
All lethal weapons mwrguy Feb 2013 #57
The fallacy in your logic is that bossy22 Feb 2013 #61
Very few law abiding citizens have to deal with home invaders mwrguy Feb 2013 #77
Very few people ever have to deal with a fire in their home bossy22 Feb 2013 #97
In Chicago, cops do not respond to all 911 calls. This includes burglaries, unless a homeowner has AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #119
You're kidding, Light House Feb 2013 #66
Ban them, then eventually the bad guys won't have any. mwrguy Feb 2013 #73
You mean like alcohol during prohibition? Light House Feb 2013 #84
And once we get alcohol off the streets we won't have alcoholics. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #78
nobody has a physical addiction to assault weapons mwrguy Feb 2013 #79
You'd never know that by listening to gun-nuts - even here on DU Hugabear Feb 2013 #82
It's a fetish mwrguy Feb 2013 #87
that mentality is what is wrong in this whole debate bossy22 Feb 2013 #91
Yep. And they are the ones .... oldhippie Feb 2013 #201
oh...so its all okay if it's an addiction? bossy22 Feb 2013 #86
addiction is obviously a harder nut to crack than "I want it just because" mwrguy Feb 2013 #90
so because it's harder we shouldn't do anything about it? bossy22 Feb 2013 #105
Jailing alcoholics is insane mwrguy Feb 2013 #107
how so? bossy22 Feb 2013 #110
Prohibition was not a matter of physical addiction Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #92
Well, as said by one of the gun-controllers above, they "have to start somewhere." AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #124
Alcoholics or people under the influence treestar Feb 2013 #226
You realize some of your allies-in-gun-control say "no one is gonna take away your arms." Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #94
I'm with Dianne Feinstein, I'd love to get them all turned in at once, but mwrguy Feb 2013 #103
If you are like Dianne Feinstein, then you also own a firearm and believe that only the political AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #125
So there you have it: Prohibitionism, even as others say "no one's going to take your guns away." Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #208
I understand your position, even if Feinstein had a license to pack... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #218
What about AR-15s disqualify them from private ownership? krispos42 Feb 2013 #114
I have a 12 ga. double Hawes coachman formercia Feb 2013 #39
Plus, he told his wife if there is ever a problem... indie9197 Feb 2013 #220
How exactly is a shotgun easier to aim? NickB79 Feb 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author SCVDem Feb 2013 #13
Yes and no. formercia Feb 2013 #43
You'd need one HELL of a choke to expand a group more than that poster described. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #88
In my Double there is a lot of difference in group size formercia Feb 2013 #113
I have never seen a 2 foot spread at 10 feet even from my wife's un-choked AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #116
Wut mikeypooh Feb 2013 #136
Nothing wrong with the shotgun formercia Feb 2013 #139
Maybe if it's a rifled slug barrel sir pball Feb 2013 #195
The shotgun bore is a smooth Cylinder formercia Feb 2013 #199
That's about the only other explanation sir pball Feb 2013 #200
If it's not reliable, it doesn't get used. formercia Feb 2013 #203
Shotgun pellets scatter... IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2013 #48
This is not accurate. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #95
My BS Meter just pegged. formercia Feb 2013 #115
yeah, you have fun with that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #117
Read it and weep. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #123
Unchoked remington, 12 feet, 3.5" spread, OH I'M FULL OF BS HUH? AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #128
I'm the guy with the Hawes double coach Shotgun formercia Feb 2013 #131
I also have a double barrel coach gun with the minimum legal length barrel and no choke. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #132
They need better arguments than that hack89 Feb 2013 #16
So arm our soldiers with dbl barrel shotguns, not those useless rifles! Blandocyte Feb 2013 #18
Biden is discussing Home Defense, not Combat formercia Feb 2013 #45
Apples and oranges. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #56
We do One_Life_To_Give Feb 2013 #198
If I were to get a gun for home... one_voice Feb 2013 #21
double barrel shotgun? bossy22 Feb 2013 #24
An AR-15 is much easier to use hack89 Feb 2013 #27
Easier to use, not necessarily to stop an intruder in poor light. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #62
Shot guns need to aimed very carefully hack89 Feb 2013 #140
I don't need the Vice President or anyone else telling me what I need and do not need. slackmaster Feb 2013 #29
So if you decide that you need a flame-thrower or a bazooka mwrguy Feb 2013 #42
Since neither of those happen to be regulated items, I will just sit here and laugh at your reply. slackmaster Feb 2013 #50
Flame throwers and bazookas are legal to own. Light House Feb 2013 #54
So are assault rifles, doesn't make it right. mwrguy Feb 2013 #59
Should be. Light House Feb 2013 #63
flame throwers are weapons of mass murder? bossy22 Feb 2013 #67
And gee, we even had a Constitutional amendment (the 18th) to outlaw booze derby378 Feb 2013 #71
He was asked a question and gave his opinion. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #65
I'm just responding to the opinion he expressed, as is my right. slackmaster Feb 2013 #69
And I think yours is thin skinned. So that makes it even. yellowcanine Feb 2013 #72
Next, Biden advised our men and women in uniform to trade in their rifles for shotguns derby378 Feb 2013 #40
We are capable SCVDem Feb 2013 #47
Then you're telling me I can have all the 20-round magazines I want? derby378 Feb 2013 #51
No Problem! SCVDem Feb 2013 #108
Under that reasoning, bring back quill pens and otherwise censor posts on the Internet. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #130
Exactly! derby378 Feb 2013 #186
How dare the VP have an opinion!! Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #52
An opinion from the former Senator who pushed for the change in the bankruptcy laws so that AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 Feb 2013 #64
I've never owned a gun Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #70
Civilians shouldn't be able to own anything stronger than the police have in their caches. judesedit Feb 2013 #75
that is pretty much the case now bossy22 Feb 2013 #129
Full auto is usually worthless SCVDem Feb 2013 #133
The posting and subsequent comments are all well and good, but the ignore the fundamental question.. Veilex Feb 2013 #93
Cue the gun know-it-all chorus... Politicub Feb 2013 #99
Who's thunk it? Joe Biden engenders a debate over the best home-defense firearm! Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #100
What the hell is a "semi assault weapon?" Deep13 Feb 2013 #106
How about I buy the same rifle, but without a pistol grip? krispos42 Feb 2013 #112
no, that will cause brains to explode Duckhunter935 Feb 2013 #134
You make a very good point. We need to outlaw all semi-automatics. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #150
Your position is logically consistent. krispos42 Feb 2013 #167
You may be able to dance around the problem but if we can get any of these rhett o rick Feb 2013 #171
If I really wanted to kill as many people as I could sir pball Feb 2013 #196
There are an awful lot of guns intended for killing humans in the country krispos42 Feb 2013 #221
Uhm... they also sell wet water, I heard. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2013 #222
Absolutely mwrguy Feb 2013 #179
Good for Joe Progressive dog Feb 2013 #144
From personal experience only Betsy Ross Feb 2013 #146
Well, that's what I did. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #147
I go along with Joe Pakid Feb 2013 #148
Biden is da man iandhr Feb 2013 #154
A Mossberg AS-20 Bantam semiauto shotgun is 5.5 lbs and holds 6 shells. truthisfreedom Feb 2013 #160
Pistols are a pretty good alternative to assault weapons, too. Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #172
As an alternative, sure. ManiacJoe Feb 2013 #184
Obama's seccond term...is this what he wants? quadrature Feb 2013 #177
The thread title sounds likes a sales pitch... Deep13 Feb 2013 #178
A Gun is a Tool No More, No Less Wolf Frankula Feb 2013 #180
I knew there was a reason he was called Ol' Shotgun Joe. (nt) harmonicon Feb 2013 #181
Gun people a question: AngryAmish Feb 2013 #187
Message auto-removed CharlieVicker Feb 2013 #191
Some debate on this, but buckshot will go through walls... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #216
subsonic 300 blk with sbr and suppressor stamps is the best HD ileus Feb 2013 #190
That's gonna be mine .... oldhippie Feb 2013 #202
Kick this for Joe and all Democrats Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #204
I kind of agree. Because it was Joe Biden, many folks felt "safe" in discussing some... Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #217
W. Kamau Bell had this on "Totally Biased" last night--hilarious. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #223
A double-barrel shotgun? Beacool Feb 2013 #228
Yes, ban that shit.. and-justice-for-all Feb 2013 #229
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