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wisteria

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47. Choice is one thing, forcing the parents to pay for the choice is another.
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 06:27 PM
Feb 2013

I do not agree with that part of the judgement.

Pregnant Teen Wins Abortion Battle [View all] davidn3600 Feb 2013 OP
(her choice) annabanana Feb 2013 #1
Yes, BUT HockeyMom Feb 2013 #2
I guess that will have to be annabanana Feb 2013 #4
agree, or to pay for the health costs Tumbulu Feb 2013 #6
Agreed. TEXASYANKEE Feb 2013 #10
At 18 she's legally an adult HockeyMom Feb 2013 #11
Oh right, like parents are not going to feel that they have to step in and help? Tumbulu Feb 2013 #14
Then call me guilty HockeyMom Feb 2013 #27
I complete agree Drale Feb 2013 #61
That's just punishing the grandchild demwing Feb 2013 #81
Adoption HockeyMom Feb 2013 #85
You didn't tell us you know the people involved. Since you know "THAT is the best choice", I must uppityperson Feb 2013 #90
You don't understand why a grandparent would want to have their grandchildren around? Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #145
Hands down best choice Tumbulu Feb 2013 #161
"You people?" Ouch!!!!!!!! nt MADem Feb 2013 #204
That's just punishing the grandchild AlbertCat Feb 2013 #96
Yes, correct demwing Feb 2013 #156
but that's not what the OP was referring to. AlbertCat Feb 2013 #207
My quote was in response to her quote demwing Feb 2013 #217
Exactly nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #136
Well goody goody for you Tumbulu Feb 2013 #137
if we're celebrating choice then no one should call you anything leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #151
Her parents are legally responsible for her (and her troubles) til she's 18 yrs old riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #53
The parents were not wrong to make the girl avebury Feb 2013 #82
They have to pay her medical bills, house her, clothe her and feed her riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #87
I would like to know why the parents of the boy are not legally avebury Feb 2013 #94
why the parents of the boy are not legally liable for some of the girl's expenses AlbertCat Feb 2013 #97
I'm presuming they are responsible for the other half of medical costs riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #105
I'm going to guess that's why they were only ordered to pay half medical riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #98
You keep making such good points! Tumbulu Feb 2013 #163
very tho0ughtful response, with which I concur elehhhhna Feb 2013 #113
A teenager has no idea Tumbulu Feb 2013 #139
The girl does not need a cell phone avebury Feb 2013 #148
Oh, I was thinking you were saying no phone.. Tumbulu Feb 2013 #154
The parents might be able to get her a cheap cell phone and provide avebury Feb 2013 #171
I see the young people of today as so much more irresponsible Tumbulu Feb 2013 #172
Why rent an apartment? Why not just keep her at home? MADem Feb 2013 #206
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #106
That's not true from what I've read. Do you have a link? riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #117
Not sure any law requires them to pay for her phone or car. Just her food and lodging and health. McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #122
Oh agreed. They also have to give her clothing. The car thing is weird. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #123
Exactly -- Unless she becomes emancipated obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #127
And why I think parents should make the abortion decision Blue4Texas Feb 2013 #129
Or you can be 100% trying to help and teach your kids, and they just don't give a damn. loudsue Feb 2013 #70
+1. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #78
This child is but sixteen. MADem Feb 2013 #203
Yes, it boggles my mind Tumbulu Feb 2013 #16
I am sick of the glorification of birth married to a complete absence of responsibility. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #35
+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #141
agree 100% Tumbulu Feb 2013 #158
Thanks nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #157
+1. freshwest Feb 2013 #168
Fifth pregnancy? By the time she's 16? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #185
No, I only do sarcasm for Republicans, not real people or DUers. freshwest Feb 2013 #196
I think that's the girl's mother who'd had 4 abortions muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #201
I agree--that would be way past grounds for a visit from Child Protective Services or a MADem Feb 2013 #208
Thanks, I'll edit. I was going by a post, not the original article. I defer to the court documents. freshwest Feb 2013 #210
Absolutely. wisteria Feb 2013 #39
And WHY do her parents have to pay HALF Tumbulu Feb 2013 #12
She's under 18 leftynyc Feb 2013 #17
So this group should pay for the whole thing Tumbulu Feb 2013 #23
Fathers dont get a say either...yet are on the hook financially davidn3600 Feb 2013 #28
True to a point, but the father had more to do with creating the pregnancy wisteria Feb 2013 #43
Well they at least had something to do with it Tumbulu Feb 2013 #135
So true! n/t wisteria Feb 2013 #41
Her parents are legally responsible for her (and her troubles) til she's 18 yrs old riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #51
She doesn't live with them anyway Marrah_G Feb 2013 #74
Yes, because they, themselves, should hot have had to commit to any parental ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #225
I agree but why didn't they get her some birth control The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #243
Yes, but the parents shouldn't be liable for hospital bills, her transportation etc. wisteria Feb 2013 #31
Oh yes her parents are legally responsible for her. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #55
Excellent points nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #142
She is 16 TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #238
Do children really have "my body my choice"? alp227 Feb 2013 #80
tough question. what if the plaintiff was 12? would DU still be whooping elehhhhna Feb 2013 #118
Well, at that point the issue is rape, without the cover of "Romeo and Juliet" laws, MADem Feb 2013 #211
We'd defend a 16 year old boy whose parents tried to force him to get a tattoo muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #186
And who is the judge of when a medical procedure is necessary? alp227 Feb 2013 #197
A doctor is muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #199
Looks like no decision is right at all. alp227 Feb 2013 #202
No, her parents should not get the ultimate decision over her body muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #205
So if parents can't have the ultimate decision, what's the point of parenthood then? alp227 Feb 2013 #209
Parenthood doesn't mean complete control of a child muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #212
Parents force cosmetic procedures on their children all the time without their consent. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #219
And I oppose them all muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #221
In the US, Hispanic baby girls very commonly sport pierced ears. Baby Hindu girls with bindis riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #222
Well, pregnancy isn't illegal. MADem Feb 2013 #213
thats the truth. The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #241
and anti abortion people will trumpet this as a win for their side booley Feb 2013 #3
Ironic, isn't it, that when.... Jerry442 Feb 2013 #45
They are ProBIRTH HockeyMom Feb 2013 #57
I am pleased that she will get to exercise her CHOICE. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #5
based on what? Some pseudo science spewed by pro-life groups? wordpix Feb 2013 #101
Agree - really I hope the Tumbulu Feb 2013 #143
Would you make your 16 year old have an abortion if she didn't want to? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #153
yes i would - at 16, she had no idea how to take care of herself, much less a baby wordpix Feb 2013 #183
Forcing people to have abortions because of your opinion of their abilities muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #187
OK, YOU take care of the baby and 16 y.o., then. I don't want to wordpix Feb 2013 #228
No forcing anyone to do something like that The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #242
i dont understand the 'consequences be damned all that matters is she got her choice' leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #159
Me too, and I hope she has some real plan for her future bhikkhu Feb 2013 #160
Very happy that her right to choose was protected rox63 Feb 2013 #7
I agree.... kurtzapril4 Feb 2013 #46
Unfortunately when the girl is a minor, the parents are on the hook riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #56
Which is still ironic. Igel Feb 2013 #116
Agreed. Its odd that neither the parents nor child pursued emancipation riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #121
Many young people are rabidly anti-choice. Something is not right in the education system. n/t SylviaD Feb 2013 #8
I think polls of shown that most young Americans are socially liberal. iandhr Feb 2013 #20
This girl is from Texas, so she may be more conservative then most others her age. alp227 Feb 2013 #84
True iandhr Feb 2013 #131
Sounds like she chose just fine. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #58
a few things do not add up here - from the original DU post about this case azurnoir Feb 2013 #9
Looks like the parents were trying to show her some adult responsibility. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2013 #25
Thank you HockeyMom Feb 2013 #30
well that is possible but myself I think the whole thing is a steaming pile azurnoir Feb 2013 #34
They were paying the phone bill, owned the car and, as her parents, could Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #40
they could not withdraw her from school against her will NCLB azurnoir Feb 2013 #44
Perhaps the grandparents don't live in the same school district? Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #52
that's possible but IMO the antichoicers capitalized on bad blood azurnoir Feb 2013 #59
Perhaps.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #65
thatcould well be azurnoir Feb 2013 #71
Yep. Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #72
Perhaps she is an KatyMan Feb 2013 #92
She clearly is not--otherwise, her parents wouldn't be required to pay for her care and car. nt MADem Feb 2013 #214
Don't know the background, but what you said is completely possible. Igel Feb 2013 #120
WOOOT! A win for us! Pro-Choice wins! This will make a great precendent! Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #13
Her body, her choice. The parents couldn't have done that better SaveAmerica Feb 2013 #15
Odd though she did not live with her parents azurnoir Feb 2013 #22
According to CNN, the girl lives with her mother muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #188
thanks because we all know CNN is always accurate azurnoir Feb 2013 #195
It is her choice. And the grandparents and she should JDPriestly Feb 2013 #18
If the father is still in HS HockeyMom Feb 2013 #32
The grandparents appear to be supporting this young JDPriestly Feb 2013 #177
LOL, and her boyfriends fathers mechanic friend.. snooper2 Feb 2013 #48
If the 16 year old left her parents home, they owe her NO SUPPORT happyslug Feb 2013 #162
This seems so topsy turvy.. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #178
I use to deal with Children and Youth and Child placement. happyslug Feb 2013 #223
Per the article, the girl is living with her mom. And the parents have been ordered to $upport her riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #224
A parent's legal liability for the acts of their children is limited happyslug Feb 2013 #231
Ok but that's PA, not TX which does require a judge for emancipation riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #232
Illinois your limit is $20,000 plus attorney's fees happyslug Feb 2013 #233
As to emancipation, the Illinois Emancipation of Minors Act has the following sentence: happyslug Feb 2013 #234
A child cannot simply declare themselves emancipated and voila! Its done riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #236
Look at Section 2, the last sentence of the second paragraph, it reads as follows: happyslug Feb 2013 #237
If she want to have the child its her choice. iandhr Feb 2013 #19
even for juveniles? alp227 Feb 2013 #88
All rights. Igel Feb 2013 #124
Forced abortions are what happen in dictatorships. iandhr Feb 2013 #133
But her PARENTS, not government are forcing the abortion. alp227 Feb 2013 #200
So would it also be okay for parents to force a girl Crunchy Frog Feb 2013 #175
Is it against the law for parents to make such decisions? alp227 Feb 2013 #198
I agree, but requiring the parents to give her a car? Xithras Feb 2013 #21
Quite a message to teenage girls in Texas huh? azurnoir Feb 2013 #24
Actually, I thought they agreed to that in some sort of mediation. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #134
Very good bluestateguy Feb 2013 #26
Absolutely VA_Jill Feb 2013 #38
Choice is one thing, forcing the parents to pay for the choice is another. wisteria Feb 2013 #47
It's her body, her life, and her choice rachel1 Feb 2013 #29
Then she should make the choice to not use the car, the phone or wisteria Feb 2013 #36
as I said to my daughter at this age, when you're paying for wordpix Feb 2013 #107
The parents should not be responsible for anything-it isn't there choice. wisteria Feb 2013 #33
Is she an emancipated minor? I hadn't seen that. Link? Otherwise they are responsible riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #49
I think she is independant of her parents. wisteria Feb 2013 #60
Unless she's won a legal emancipation, they are still responsible for her legally riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #63
link she was not living with her parent now or at the time she became pregnant azurnoir Feb 2013 #62
Oh I agree. This case sucks but the parents are still legally responsible riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #66
The proof is the fact that she wasn't living with her parents and I'll tell you how I know. notadmblnd Feb 2013 #91
Those cops were wrong. The law is clear, you must follow a legal riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #100
I have no opinion to express about the girl or her parents here. notadmblnd Feb 2013 #103
Sounds like kind cops who took your side and fudged things. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #114
It seems an abnormal situation Yo_Mama Feb 2013 #130
Choice VA_Jill Feb 2013 #37
Absolutley it's about choice. Jerry442 Feb 2013 #50
Maybe they know their daughter all too well. wisteria Feb 2013 #54
This sort of thing makes me glad I don't have kids. DaveJ Feb 2013 #64
Yup. I have a wild teen. Unfortunately I'm experienced nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #67
The thing is it's the daughter's choice, which means all the responsibilities of that choice jeff47 Feb 2013 #69
The law makes her parents live with the consequences of that choice riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #76
Which means nothing. jeff47 Feb 2013 #146
I agree its unfair regardless of the law. And you put your finger right on the heart of the matter riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #218
Is the father in the picture here? bluestateguy Feb 2013 #42
His pic is at the link, along with some zombie-like guy. DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #73
Best not to judge people by their looks muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #192
He wants to marry her muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #190
Forced Support for Grandchildren? HockeyMom Feb 2013 #68
If a woman can not support herself and her child(ren), the child(ren) should be fostered out or adop uppityperson Feb 2013 #75
My husband's father and uncle HockeyMom Feb 2013 #83
I understand this is a minor, but was expanding on what you wrote, trying to clarify. uppityperson Feb 2013 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #119
Good luck to that teen. I hope if she changes her mind or needs help later she can get help. Choice uppityperson Feb 2013 #77
This is the best post I've read on this thread. tammywammy Feb 2013 #229
The parents could have (should have?) petitioned to have her declared an "emancipated minor". marybourg Feb 2013 #79
The person being "emancipated" has to prove that they can support themselves. MADem Feb 2013 #215
Not in most states. happyslug Feb 2013 #235
A family I knew about had a pregnant 15 year old. They made her Ilsa Feb 2013 #86
1) "Roe" made this her choice. There can be no obligation for her to abort. OmahaBlueDog Feb 2013 #93
Good. krispos42 Feb 2013 #95
so the parents are forced to raise the baby they don't want to raise wordpix Feb 2013 #99
why didn't the court mandate any percentage of support from the baby's father?? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #102
My question. Where is the dad? McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #115
He wants to marry the young lady, per CNN. nt MADem Feb 2013 #216
I saw. UnseenUndergrad Feb 2013 #230
This message was self-deleted by its author Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #104
apparently you have not experienced dealing with teenage mothers wordpix Feb 2013 #111
So...you don't want your taxes to support a single mother and baby. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #138
actually, if I had my CHOICE, every school would begin in middle school to have a class in wordpix Feb 2013 #184
I agree with all of that. NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #226
The only way this should be done is if the teen is also 'emancipated'. AzDar Feb 2013 #108
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #144
agree nt Tumbulu Feb 2013 #165
She wins? I don't see any winners here. Pool Hall Ace Feb 2013 #110
I wonder what the lawsuit was based on treestar Feb 2013 #112
Curious about how the right wing will cover this. Basically, it means that no one can "punish" their McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #125
good points Tumbulu Feb 2013 #166
It's her life & the baby's life. See how she deals with it.Could go either way.Her body / her choice judesedit Feb 2013 #126
Hopefully you're right christx30 Feb 2013 #244
Now the kid's a saint for saving her unborn baby.. (which is, of course, her choice) mountain grammy Feb 2013 #128
Oh yes, I wonder how helpful they will be then....... Tumbulu Feb 2013 #167
Good obama2terms Feb 2013 #132
Anyone who thinks the parents should have the authority to force an abortion... NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #140
So hopefully when the court gets CC Feb 2013 #147
As I posted somewhere else... NaturalHigh Feb 2013 #150
The bus service in Houston is horrible. You have to have a car to get anyplace Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #174
What a brave young woman! Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #149
I don't see it that way Tumbulu Feb 2013 #170
But in two years, she won't be a teen. And her child will have a whole life ahead of her! Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #173
being "pro-choice" means defending THIS choice, too. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #152
Yes, I am proud to defend both sides of the coin too. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #155
I am with you. etherealtruth Feb 2013 #180
Agreed. I guess it's true that some people are pro-abortion... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #182
agreed La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2013 #189
There is something wrong here, this was filed February 11 and the parents had 20 days to respond happyslug Feb 2013 #164
it's an agreement between the sides muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #194
Thank you for the additional information. (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #227
I agree with those who've said information is missing from this story. Nine Feb 2013 #169
The fundies will pick up the tab, wait and see.. I can already see her in her own McMansion and with secondwind Feb 2013 #176
Norma McCorvey aka "Jane Roe" TexasBushwhacker Feb 2013 #239
My take on this Notafraidtoo Feb 2013 #179
At the end of the video report it states that her avebury Feb 2013 #181
Very tough choice but in the end it was her choice. Jennicut Feb 2013 #240
Something tells me the girl would've lost her legal battle pink-o Feb 2013 #191
Here is some more information. Nine Feb 2013 #193
The girl's parents deny all of the allegations. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #220
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