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80. It's probably not a misstatement

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 05:38 PM

Feb 2013

so much as an attempt at obfuscation. I would not be surprised if only two of the 160 stroke patients actually tested positive for pot, and one of them was a tobacco smoker besides.

Even if ALL of the 160 people tested pot positive, the assertion by the lead researcher that it was the pot causing the strokes while ignoring the high prevalence of tobacco smoking and the use of alcohol and other drugs as well tells me that this "study" was done for the purpose of reaching an already decided upon conclusion. The data didn't fit the narrative, so the narration of the data has been massaged to make it seem as though it does, making the whole thing completely worthless.

Either this was really, really bad reporting of the results of a scientific study, or the results have been publicly announced this way for a reason. My hunch is the latter.

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Marijuana Use Doubles Risk Of Stroke [View all] Redfairen Feb 2013 OP

Maybe it's from the EC Feb 2013 #1

I don't think pot does it either sakabatou Feb 2013 #11

"This is the first case-controlled study to show a POSSIBLE... DonViejo Feb 2013 #59

This study does no such thing EC Feb 2013 #74

They'll need to repeat this at least 5 years after the death of the twinkie. n/t 2on2u Feb 2013 #106

Right ... bemildred Feb 2013 #2

Control group was 160 stroke victims maxsolomon Feb 2013 #46

Complete horseshit, misuse of math, and such idiocy is common as dirt. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #47

^^^This. TroglodyteScholar Feb 2013 #109

Thank you. It is propaganda, and nothing else. bemildred Feb 2013 #110

That's what I was wondering. If 91.9% didn't smoke weed, how is weed increasing the risk? arcane1 Feb 2013 #64

Not even that many. Moosepoop Feb 2013 #71

I contemplated that sentence. maxsolomon Feb 2013 #75

It's probably not a misstatement Moosepoop Feb 2013 #80

The OP link is confusing. Better link to the study at webmd Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #81

Thank you for the link. Moosepoop Feb 2013 #92

Note that it was a comparison group, not a control group. Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #94

Who paidfor the study lsewpershad Feb 2013 #90

Big Pharma, who else....makers of TBI/Stoke drugs that do nothing....nt kooljerk666 Feb 2013 #100

Been tokin' daily for 41 years (started at 17) AAO Feb 2013 #49

Yep. We've been running the experiment here now for 40-50 years. bemildred Feb 2013 #91

from the link: DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2013 #3

And that's why the link is BS. sakabatou Feb 2013 #13

"Barber believes that it is cannabis and not the tobacco that is causing the increased risk" think Feb 2013 #4

Inhaling concentrated particulate matter into your lungs is unhealthy. Period. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #5

That's my question. How about those who consume marijuana in food or drink? Moonwalk Feb 2013 #18

And that would be another problem with this study me b zola Feb 2013 #22

It specifically says smoking. onehandle Feb 2013 #36

But vaping does completely alter the physiological effects n/t me b zola Feb 2013 #41

I would imagine that it's safer than inhaling burning matter. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #45

Wrong. bitchkitty Feb 2013 #88

mat·ter [mat-er] noun onehandle Feb 2013 #93

Concede your point. bitchkitty Feb 2013 #113

Like diesel fumes. nt. Starboard Tack Feb 2013 #53

So eat hemp & get outside, don't be a couch potato. patrice Feb 2013 #6

If only MissNostalgia Feb 2013 #17

Be very careful NICO9000 Feb 2013 #24

Here's a prime yesphan Feb 2013 #39

Actually, I was referring to the non-psychotropic strain of Hemp commonly called Industrial patrice Feb 2013 #48

You might be referring to the seeds, because hemp the leafy plant is a negligible protein source. kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #52

Well, there are hemp powders, which don't have the texture of the seeds at all. I do buy patrice Feb 2013 #61

There is still a bit of snowboarding season left! ... eom Kolesar Feb 2013 #72

The study brought to you by Phizer and Anheiser Busch Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #7

You win the thread me b zola Feb 2013 #23

So, even if it becomes legal, I can't try it. Deep13 Feb 2013 #8

Please look at the rest of the thread, this study was garbage Kurska Feb 2013 #101

And according to other studies, thats the exact same risk multiplier caused by alcohol. phleshdef Feb 2013 #9

"No it doesn't! I've smoked for 50 years and never had a stroke!" Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #10

ROFL...I'm a Legalize It guy, but you're so right alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #40

So you would like DU to only be populated with statistics majors... ret5hd Feb 2013 #56

There's a large difference of degrees between statistic majors and idiots. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #85

Stroke risk doubles after drinking alcohol. valerief Feb 2013 #12

Legalize it and let people decide for themselves. NYC Liberal Feb 2013 #14

From the little bit I've read on this MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #15

Infuriating moonlady0623 Feb 2013 #16

Yep, it's the usual lowest-common-denominator regression to an assumed average. patrice Feb 2013 #50

Without addressing any of the dubious claims of the article... Orrex Feb 2013 #19

I know! bluedigger Feb 2013 #27

I've never heard anyone claim it's "100% pure good" tridim Feb 2013 #31

I've never heard anyone claim it's "100% pure good" either. Orrex Feb 2013 #43

well, your hearing it now RedstDem Feb 2013 #51

Hell, I'm sold Orrex Feb 2013 #54

Does fairy dust shrink brain tumors? tridim Feb 2013 #62

Oh please Scootaloo Feb 2013 #104

I've never heard anyone claim it cures cancer.. That is just as bad as Reefer Madness. tridim Feb 2013 #108

No, as a matter of fact I really don't care Scootaloo Feb 2013 #112

This is particularly laughable: Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #37

Yeah but... Johnny2X2X Feb 2013 #20

I'd like to be a part of that study. geardaddy Feb 2013 #26

This proves we must consider this addictive narcotic to be as dangerous as Heroin maxsolomon Feb 2013 #21

Sounds like hogwash to me NICO9000 Feb 2013 #25

"Marijuana smokers were more than twice as likely than ~healthy~ adults..." tridim Feb 2013 #28

LoL. Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2013 #30

meh- -legalize it already leftyohiolib Feb 2013 #32

"These patients usually had no other vascular risk factors apart from tobacco, alcohol and Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #33

Was this a Repulican sponsored study??? Capt13 Feb 2013 #42

I love this part: independentpiney Feb 2013 #34

The "study" is of great value to those who get rich from Cannabis prohibition. tridim Feb 2013 #63

No kidding nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #79

ok.... mike_c Feb 2013 #35

Another BS study to confuse the issue Moral Compass Feb 2013 #38

I think this study is bullshit olddad56 Feb 2013 #44

these "studies" are released like clockwork mitchtv Feb 2013 #55

They don't call it "White Widow" for nothing Ezlivin Feb 2013 #57

Oooooooooh be afraid, be very afraid Smilo Feb 2013 #58

I call texas sharpshooter on this one AngryAmish Feb 2013 #60

What complete Crap! Chakaconcarne Feb 2013 #65

Lousy study is false. RoccoR5955 Feb 2013 #66

Who would have thought that putting smoke into your lungs might affect your health? randome Feb 2013 #67

Even if this unsubstantiated claim were true, so what? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #68

Bath salts and potpourri quadruple the risk of homicidal behavior and cannibalistic tendencies. Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #69

BS, all the MJ smokers also smoked tobacco, the science is bunk. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #70

and who is paying his research bill... SemperEadem Feb 2013 #73

I doubt it. Rider3 Feb 2013 #76

Happened to me in the early 80s Blandocyte Feb 2013 #77

One stroke over the line, sweet Jesus Blue Owl Feb 2013 #78

that is truly a pathetic assertion. why would someone even suggest that? farminator3000 Feb 2013 #82

Marijuana protects your brain Studies reveal that MJ protects against brain damage from stroke farminator3000 Feb 2013 #83

Liars....pure and simple. nt jaysunb Feb 2013 #84

so does meat Enrique Feb 2013 #86

Well, in that case... KansDem Feb 2013 #87

BULLSHIT! bitchkitty Feb 2013 #89

Complete Bullshit obama2terms Feb 2013 #95

I remain skeptical as I await other scientific studies to reproduce these results (or not). eShirl Feb 2013 #96

Yes but you die happy magic59 Feb 2013 #97

Correlation is not causation. Can they PLEASE teach this day 1 of journalism school? n/t hughee99 Feb 2013 #98

they just keep flogging the same horse... easychoice Feb 2013 #99

yes otherone Feb 2013 #105

'all but one of the stroke patients who were marijuana smokers also engaged in tobacco use'. LeftishBrit Feb 2013 #102

What they should do is have a scientific study. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #103

"Study Shows Possible Link Between Marijuana Use and Strokes" FarrenH Feb 2013 #107

so they do a drug test on stroke victims and only pot shows up? only 'drug' that will show up? Sunlei Feb 2013 #111

Their conclussions are ironclad: AAO Feb 2013 #114

WTF is the point of these studies when they never question the legality of alcohol? Locut0s Feb 2013 #115

Cannabis REDUCES the risk of a stroke... CanSocDem Feb 2013 #116