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happyslug

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88. I have no FAITH that such an Executive Order would survive a Court challenge
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:50 AM
Jan 2013

But, it is a good facial argument. It would be a good test to see how much leeway the Courts would give to Executive Order AND the Second Amendment. Obama, in many ways a careful politician, I just do NOT see him even trying to make the above argument for he would be afraid of losing. I be tempted to do it, even as I am 90% sure it would fail a court challenge, just to see how far the Supreme Court would permit such an Executive Order to affect something covered by the Bill of Rights.

Remember Obama can NOT pass anything new by Executive Order nor can an Executive Order undo what the Congress has pass. As President, Obama can order that an unconstitutional law passed by Congress is to be ignored as unconstitutional on its face. President Johnston did that in 1968 in regards to Congress's "Repeal" of the Miranda Ruling, a position adopted by President Nixon when he became President and a position every President adopted till Bush I. Under the elder Bush, an order was issued that the Law passed by Congress in 1968 overturning Miranda was to be enforced. This new order and the Congressional "repeal" of a Constitutional Ruling by the Supreme Court was subsequently ruled to be Unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, just as Johnson and Nixon had found such an "repeal" to be when they issued their executive Orders to ignore the "repeal".

Thus, the proposal I propose could be ruled unconstitutional as stretching the right of the President to Regulate the Arm Forces to far. It could be ruled unconstitutional for it interferes with how the otherwise unregulated militia is to be armed for such a regulations had to be passed by CONGRESS not the President. On the other hand, the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, including the Militia and preparing the Militia, providing it involved no expenditures of funds (Funding is reserve to Congress), could be within the President's powers.

Please do tavalon Jan 2013 #1
Finally. blueclown Jan 2013 #2
A rush would have most likely made for bad legislation (again) ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #4
Thanks, Professor appacom Jan 2013 #11
This legislation will be used to cover the robbery of seniors and plethoro Jan 2013 #7
are you saying republicans will attach poison pills? Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #67
No. It will be more subtle than that. The only reason I think that might not happen is that plethoro Jan 2013 #72
Be interesting to see the actual list ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #3
Fantastic! nt onehandle Jan 2013 #5
I fully support the universal background check for all firearms purchase's, nick of time Jan 2013 #6
The question than becomes bluevoter4life Jan 2013 #42
I'd support a national buyback at market price. nick of time Jan 2013 #43
I could definitely support that bluevoter4life Jan 2013 #44
I didn't even think about registering those mags. nick of time Jan 2013 #45
we register software every day Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #68
I can take that further bluevoter4life Jan 2013 #69
even that wrist-slap would staunch the lazy gun retailers. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #71
In Massachusetts I believe the rule is: Marrah_G Jan 2013 #50
That sounds reasonable to me. nick of time Jan 2013 #55
The main problem as I see it, is that the rules are different in each state Marrah_G Jan 2013 #59
I'm on board with all that. nick of time Jan 2013 #61
I think the majority of the country would be fine with all of that. Marrah_G Jan 2013 #62
those 'on the left who want to get rid of almost all guns' are Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #73
I agree Marrah_G Jan 2013 #77
These are all good things. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #8
The ban is the key humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #9
The Pres. can't declare a ban on "assault weapons". nick of time Jan 2013 #10
B.S. the President can make it illegal humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #16
No he can't. nick of time Jan 2013 #19
If the President passes an executive order that defines humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #21
But we're not talking about automatic weapons here are we? nick of time Jan 2013 #23
Change the definition of the weapons humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #24
That's one way nick of time Jan 2013 #27
true the house will have something to say but Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #74
And weapons are defined via legislation hack89 Jan 2013 #40
OK and we control the senate and the Presidency humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #47
Harry Reid has publicly come out against an AWB. hack89 Jan 2013 #51
IDK what the baggers will do about the right humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #54
Not everyone has a lifetime hobby - good luck. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #57
ah theres the rub Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #75
No - you need to read and understand the NFA hack89 Jan 2013 #86
You mean change ElbarDee Jan 2013 #53
Civil War? Thats just nonsense... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #56
When the crazy right wing kooks ElbarDee Jan 2013 #60
is prying *some* types of weapons from Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #76
Which ban? bobclark86 Jan 2013 #12
And all that was, was a ban on the manufacture of new mags over 10 rounds. nick of time Jan 2013 #13
Oh geez... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #17
i think push for more Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #78
The ban won't happen hack89 Jan 2013 #14
No he can make it illegal to own or operate.... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #18
Obama cannot do that via executive order hack89 Jan 2013 #39
That would be beyond the scope of an executive order. Presidents don't make law. nt DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #81
Reid might come aboard, but Boner won't Kennah Jan 2013 #31
"only practical measure that would have potentially stopped the massacre"? humblebum Jan 2013 #25
That's what Andy Cuomo did so well this week... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #70
Things like prosecuting the existing laws and import restrictions bobclark86 Jan 2013 #15
and exactly how does any of those things humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #20
Obama said if it saves just one child's life it will be worth it... Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #26
No one is losing anything - none of these laws are retroactive. hack89 Jan 2013 #41
So what is the point? humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #48
I have no clue. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #52
What would make Sandy Hook less likely to happen? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #46
That is exactly my point... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #49
Ok. nick of time Jan 2013 #58
I agree. We used to have that mexican border violence and drug problem... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #64
I didn't say it had to be overnight... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #80
making gun laws a lot more restrictive would go a longgg way. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #79
I might be pilloried for this DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #22
Said it before and I will say it again: Biden 2016 Marie Marie Jan 2013 #30
Imma say it with you: Biden 2016! MelungeonWoman Jan 2013 #65
K&R nt abelenkpe Jan 2013 #28
excellent samsingh Jan 2013 #29
Background checks for all gun sales should get VERY widespread support Kennah Jan 2013 #32
I'm all for background check for all firearm transactions, nick of time Jan 2013 #33
There's over 30 million existing hi cap (over 10 round) magazines in private hands already Kennah Jan 2013 #34
I know. nick of time Jan 2013 #35
I'd wager equally against both a mag ban and an AW ban passing Kennah Jan 2013 #36
After Reid's statement to a LV news station today, nick of time Jan 2013 #37
Oh I think Reid's onboard, it's the Boner that won't stand up Kennah Jan 2013 #38
Colbert called Biden- Reich Marshall Von Amtrak! Gregorian Jan 2013 #63
Take a Look at ANY CraigsList.... triplepoint Jan 2013 #66
What are the possible Executive Actions? happyslug Jan 2013 #82
Fascinating post! Nihil Jan 2013 #87
I have no FAITH that such an Executive Order would survive a Court challenge happyslug Jan 2013 #88
I say DO IT, Mr. President, all 19! YOU are the commander guy & need to keep the nation SAFE wordpix Jan 2013 #83
Safety? joelfreak Jan 2013 #84
This is great news davidpdx Jan 2013 #85
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