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happyslug

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60. So what is the Felony that the other teens SAW? And how do you prove "Knowing".
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:30 AM
Jan 2013

This is Common Law Misprision, which requires people to report FELONIES, but not Misdemeanors or summary offenses. To be guilty of Misprision you must KNOW what is being done is a felony, it is a defense you did NOT know it was a felony.

Remember, in this case the victim was allegedly unconscious. It that was do to a "Rape Drug" that would be a felony, but what if the other teens did not KNOW that the drug was being used? What if they thought the victim was just being taken some place safe to sleep off the alcohol? Remember, in this type of crime, the other teens must KNOW that the victim is being taken someplace to be raped. The last time I checked when people haul people out of parties, it is to someplace to sleep off the alcohol NOT to be raped. If the other teems assumed that to be the case, no knowledge of the rape existed and no knowledge is the same as not Knowing.

Remember, all the facts of the case against the other teens (other then the rapists) as to KNOWING what was going to happen to the Victim, has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Just seeing the victim being hauled away and making comments about her, does NOT show that they KNEW a rape was to occur. People can be cruel, but that is NOT illegal if it is all verbal (Remember of Freedom Speech, people have the right to say someone is a whore, slut, "should be raped" etc Such use of language is NOT a crime by itself).

The Prosecutor in a Criminal Case of Misprision of a Felony, MUST not only prove a Felony was going to take place, but that the Defendant KNEW that a rape was going to take place and did NOT report the rape. Notice the requirement that it can be shown someone KNEW the victim was going to be raped, merely using derogatory language and that the victim was in the proper condition to be raped, is NOT knowledge that a Rape was going to take place. Men (and women) make such comments all the time, but that does NOT lead to rape.

Now, if it can be shown that the victim was slandered or libeled on the tape (and that seems to be the case, I have NOT reviewed the tape) then the victim can sue for defamation.

Furthermore, people do NOT have a duty under the common law to help someone else. If you see someone drowning, you have no legal duty to save that person UNLESS you put that person in that position OR had some duty to that person (i.e. a babysitting watching a child, but only as long as the child is on her care). The law took this position, for it also adopted a strict liability rule to such assistance, if you harm that person in your attempts to save him or her, and is can be show that others could have saved that person without doing the harm, the person who did the harm (and saved someone life) is liable for the injury. You can NOT have that rule AND a rule that requires people to assist people in trouble. Whenever is has been proposed to change that rule, the police departments all lobby against it, for they see themselves being held liable in such cases, and thus do NOT want to be held to a duty to rescues people, they are willing to rescues people, but are unwilling to be legally required to do so.

According to a journalist who has reported on the town... Tempest Jan 2013 #1
The Steubenville Files on LocalLeaks. Coyotl Jan 2013 #14
good they started this website. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #16
Un-friggin-believable. caseymoz Jan 2013 #22
just those two paragraphs gave me chills... nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #25
You hear of this happening now and then caseymoz Jan 2013 #35
you are right. of course this is nto a first and wont be the last. but, i have never heard seabeyond Jan 2013 #37
I had never heard of LocalLeaks before today arcane1 Jan 2013 #34
Here's what I was able to find out about them starroute Jan 2013 #41
Why have these cases not been transferred to adult court? Nt TXDem72 Jan 2013 #2
Because the prosecutor (the mother of one of the boys involved) Tempest Jan 2013 #4
The Local Prosecutor son was NOT involved AND it is a Ohio AG case anyway happyslug Jan 2013 #52
Her son's last name is Keenan and he's a member of the "Rape Crew". Tempest Jan 2013 #54
Please site source of your report happyslug Jan 2013 #57
Yeah, like you're going to get any information from those trying to cover it up Tempest Jan 2013 #58
Alexandria Goddard does say the rape occurred at a COACH's House, not the Prosecutor's house happyslug Jan 2013 #64
It happened at several houses, including Keenan's. Tempest Jan 2013 #65
The Cite I reviewed ONLY mentioned the Coach's house happyslug Jan 2013 #66
Then you haven't done your homework Tempest Jan 2013 #67
The Blog you cite, implies otherwise, but says the Prosecutor did nothing wrong happyslug Jan 2013 #69
Jane Hanlin is the mother of one of the witnesses to the rapes that took place at her house. yardwork Jan 2013 #76
She did recuse herself on August 27, 2012, the rape was reported in August 14, 2012 happyslug Jan 2013 #77
Why did she meet with the victim and her family and discourage them from filing charges? yardwork Jan 2013 #78
From the sources I have read NONE of those accusation are true happyslug Jan 2013 #79
What are your sources? Tempest Jan 2013 #85
She did not recluse herself when she should have Tempest Jan 2013 #84
I also find it interesting you're responding to this subthread... Tempest Jan 2013 #68
The only cases I've heard of that get transfered are murder. Confusious Jan 2013 #5
Prosecutor misconduct Tempest Jan 2013 #8
Except that the new prosecutor was actually represented in court by the mbperrin Jan 2013 #18
Wrong. State AG DeWine is in charge now. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #23
Just reading what's in the link. mbperrin Jan 2013 #36
It's out of date. Last post was last week. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #38
Here's one for today that indicates DeWine is blowing it. mbperrin Jan 2013 #40
This is actually good news Tempest Jan 2013 #50
So what is the Felony that the other teens SAW? And how do you prove "Knowing". happyslug Jan 2013 #60
Well, I guess I figured that when two of the boys on the tape mbperrin Jan 2013 #62
Jesus Christ. At least learn something about the case. Tempest Jan 2013 #63
We are discussing the crime of the OTHER TEENS not the rapists happyslug Jan 2013 #70
You need to read news reports of the probable cause hearing last October. yardwork Jan 2013 #75
WTOV says she recused herself in August/ happyslug Jan 2013 #80
Be careful what you cite, the Defense Attorney summed up they case nicely happyslug Jan 2013 #82
You're believing a DEFENSE ATTORNEY? Tempest Jan 2013 #86
Sounds like you are working for the defense! yardwork Jan 2013 #88
Um....the victim doesn't need a defense. You would be a juror I would pick, though, msanthrope Jan 2013 #89
No, want I wrote just tends to be the law happyslug Jan 2013 #90
That is NOT what the Witnesses testified at the preliminary hearing happyslug Jan 2013 #83
You're believing the word of the boys, their attorney and the local media Tempest Jan 2013 #87
Does the web site address the issue of missing evidence while in the sheriff's possession? Tempest Jan 2013 #3
Exactly rightsideout Jan 2013 #28
It's a good sign though. They're aware of the outrage. tblue Jan 2013 #6
Well yes. caseymoz Jan 2013 #17
Life imitates art.. wandy Jan 2013 #7
link Vanje Jan 2013 #9
If these files are correct, the sheriff is *really* dirty starroute Jan 2013 #24
There's more dirt on the county sheriff Tempest Jan 2013 #39
And if they're not, I hope LocalLinks has good libel attorneys. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #48
Kick to facilitate discussion from a locked LBN duplicate thread. pinto Jan 2013 #10
#KnightSec: The FBI is now involved. #sofarsogood Tempest Jan 2013 #11
good. thank you. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #12
Well, from what I've read, regional FBI is dirty as well. kath Jan 2013 #56
Since it involves the rape of a minor and crossed state lines (kidnapping) Tempest Jan 2013 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Tempest Jan 2013 #13
"Some residents have accused outsiders ..." etherealtruth Jan 2013 #15
+1 gajillionskadillionbillionzillion. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #19
They really don't get it . . . n/t CrazyOrangeCat Jan 2013 #20
Yes, like everyone now interested even knew the team existed. caseymoz Jan 2013 #21
Seriously. Talk about small-town myopia. lolly Jan 2013 #45
Just to say, the conspiracy against the Big Red caseymoz Jan 2013 #46
The fact that that's the main thing people there are worried about is telling, isn't it? Posteritatis Jan 2013 #26
+1000 OnionPatch Jan 2013 #81
This case is just so disgusting on so many levels. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #27
Now why did that girl . . . Brigid Jan 2013 #29
Steubenville has a history of crime and corruption that goes way back starroute Jan 2013 #30
And for whatever it's worth ... starroute Jan 2013 #33
My family is from there. OnionPatch Jan 2013 #43
it is a crime syndicate terrorizing a small town and children lovuian Jan 2013 #51
Steubenville is right on the border of Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. yardwork Jan 2013 #53
The crime and corruption is more recent than that Tempest Jan 2013 #55
This whole case sickens me on so many levels ladym55 Jan 2013 #31
I lived in a football town TrogL Jan 2013 #32
I grew up in the area, Drum Jan 2013 #42
are local RW radio blowhards defending the rapists? - this is a more specific situation but certainot Jan 2013 #44
local radio. David Bloomquist, known as "Bloomdaddy." seabeyond Jan 2013 #47
thanks- what a fucking asshole that guy is, but he is one of many making excuses like that. certainot Jan 2013 #71
i mean on talk radio, which sets the tone for many areas of the country. certainot Jan 2013 #72
WWVA1170 is a limbaugh hannity beck savage station AND piggybacks West Virginia Mountaineers and the certainot Jan 2013 #73
you mean the team with a rapist quaterback heralded as a god? seabeyond Jan 2013 #74
so I guess these residents don't mind their high school being a rapist's haven SemperEadem Jan 2013 #49
Too bad they don't care as much about the girl as they do their image. eom tawadi Jan 2013 #61
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