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8. So please explain to me how the libel of Max differes from the libel of Hormel by Hagle?

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:21 PM

Jan 2013

Be specific. Hagel said Hormel's being gay hindered his ability to represent the US culture and he further claimed that Hormel was a bad choice because he was not just gay, but OPENLY gay. Openly, aggressively gay he said. Said openly gay people could not serve the United States in diplomatic or other posts because of being gay.
Why don't you think that was also beyond contemptible? It was a slap in the face to every LGBT American, including many who are also wounded from their valiant service in our military.
Do you have a list of which Americans should be protected from such attacks and which minority groups it is ok to slander in the press? Or is that all decided on a case by case basis?
What they did to Max, you are helping happen to others in the future as you support the appointment of a man who did to Hormel what those you castigate did to Max. Either it is wrong or it is not wrong. One either stands with those who attack others unjustly, or one stands against them. This 'cake and eat it too' routine is tired.

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Max Cleland: Next Week ‘The Bullshit’ Stops On Hagel Nomination [View all] DonViejo Jan 2013 OP

Hagel had Cleland's back a decade ago, when the Repub party TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #1

Lucky for Cleland he was not gay! If he had been, Hagle would have said he was unfit to serve. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #10

Christ...it was 15 years ago. He apologized and pledged to support and serve TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #13

Thanks elleng Jan 2013 #16

You're welcome--his apology has been also accepted by TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #19

What are the metrics for expiration of such things? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #25

Hagel wasn't even one of the 32 Repub Senators to sponsor or vote for TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #27

Here's what Barney Frank has to say about Hagel, Hagel's history, and this nomination. I happen Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #37

Barney's opposition to Hagel is AIPAC-sponsored. See below. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #43

Yeah. You have no response to what he said, so you start flinging poo at Democrats to protect Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #48

I was a Nebraska resident during Hagel's tenure. Democrats in Nebraska TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #49

Democrats in my community loathed him for his votes, his verbal assaults on gay people and of Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #51

You have the right to dislike anyone you choose. I can't tell you how to feel-- TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #52

Frank changed his mind. He hopes he gets confirmed. Jennicut Jan 2013 #80

the military donquijoterocket Jan 2013 #28

What history? Let's see a list of anti-gay and anti-Jewish history. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #46

My words are here to read. Your inference is as well. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #50

Okay, I don't see any anti-gay votes there, so I guess there's not much there. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #53

For you, just for you. First Hagel Mad Libs! Take an anti gay quote from Hagel and replace the Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #59

The only thing... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #60

What a load of horse puckey. Among other things you miss the actual point that Hagel was not Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #62

I just disagree. That's my opinion. Not his finest hour...but 14 years ago... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #64

Wow. 'MOST of the world' but not most of America. Hagel said that stuff not in 1956 but 1998 Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #81

Why are you so angry, dude? Someone disagrees with you. Barney Frank, for one. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #84

100% agreement leftynyc Jan 2013 #78

Hormels statement on the matter......... Historic NY Jan 2013 #17

And because he's gay I'm supposed to agree with him? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #20

Most of this gay talk comes from the Israel lobby cpwm17 Jan 2013 #26

Hagel was in the Senate for 12 years. He was one of the most anti gay Republicans, he got a Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #29

Hagel was dead wrong for his past views. But to say that he TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #36

In the Senate he was in fact often as venomous as he was in the press toward Hormel. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #39

Please list ALL THE OTHER venomous statements by Hagel toward the LGBT community. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #42

First, I did not say constantly, you did. I said often. You, who do not pay attention to the issue Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #57

Hey Blue, get over it vlyons Jan 2013 #32

Wow, now we cheer Republicans as Great Peacemakers? That's hilarious material you are working. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #35

Barney Frank was, very oddly, interviewed by a reporter who worked for TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #40

I note the lack of requested specific disagreement. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #45

It WOULD be an obstacle if Hagel did not repent and apologize. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #47

repent would mean he acted in a way to mitigate what he did dsc Jan 2013 #54

He did decline to sponsor or vote on a constitutional ban on gay marriage TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #58

Or if he were gay and wanted to marry, Obama would have said up until last year that he can't MessiahRp Jan 2013 #77

I have immense respect for Max Cleland, and his opinion holds great sway, with me Siwsan Jan 2013 #2

As a Georgian, Cleland is a gem. All the more reason to hold Saxby in contempt. CurtEastPoint Jan 2013 #3

I am in 100% agreement Siwsan Jan 2013 #5

So please explain to me how the libel of Max differes from the libel of Hormel by Hagle? Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #8

Thank you for that information. Siwsan Jan 2013 #11

I'm very tired of the double standard, it is a definition of the minds of those who impose one set Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #18

We can't all take on every issue, as much as we might like to Siwsan Jan 2013 #24

Some of my favorite people are veterans who are women who work in healthcare, and I kid you Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #33

Well, yes--I fondly recall Chambliss' heartfelt apology to Max. Those tears were Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #23

Here is what Barney Frank has to say about Hagel's nomination. He's spot on: Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #31

When it come to Israel Barney Frank is a far right-winger cpwm17 Jan 2013 #55

Truly incomprehensible what they did to Max. The media showed themselves loudsue Jan 2013 #9

+1,000 freshwest Jan 2013 #12

+ 10,000 MBS Jan 2013 #15

Yes, Cleland is a real treasure. MBS Jan 2013 #6

Same here! Pachamama Jan 2013 #34

Personally, I like Hagel for this post & I adore Cleland. k&r Little Star Jan 2013 #4

Yeah, that's how it's supposed to work tavalon Jan 2013 #7

Every Max post gets a salute from me! tabasco Jan 2013 #14

K&R for Cleland TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #21

Rather see Cleland up for the position. rurallib Jan 2013 #22

+1000 Dems to Win Jan 2013 #56

I am 100 per cent for Chuck Hagel. We need to stop the constant wars. I believe Hagel plethoro Jan 2013 #30

WHAT? humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #41

Ridiculous....Rumsfeld had more to do with starting plethoro Jan 2013 #44

You need to actually read something once in awhile humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #61

Baloney. That was an ancillary thought. The ostensible reason Bush went to war was because WMD's and plethoro Jan 2013 #66

Oh Jeez really.... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #71

What? What was bullcrap was the assertions that the Bush crowd made about plethoro Jan 2013 #79

Chuck Hagel voted for the Iraq debacle. Making your comments hilariously ironic. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #63

Keep fly-specking. A lot of people, including Democrats voted on the war in Iraq because plethoro Jan 2013 #65

fly-specking? Skittles Jan 2013 #67

I work for 82,000 diabetics and 105 Alzheimer's residents. "Hagle groupie"? plethoro Jan 2013 #68

I hope Hagel goes down Skittles Jan 2013 #69

I hope Hagel gets confirmed--and stops the war in plethoro Jan 2013 #70

Hagel and Clinton both thought Iraq was a good idea Skittles Jan 2013 #72

Because of LIES!.............nft plethoro Jan 2013 #75

bullshit Skittles Jan 2013 #76

Because of an inability to discern lies from truth, buying the lies... Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #82

Right. Your assertion would carry more weight if you knew what Hagel knew or didn't know, plethoro Jan 2013 #83

I totally agree with you.... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #73

I expect the filibuster. Joe Bacon Jan 2013 #38

Why wasn't Cleland nominated for the job? Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2013 #74