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happyslug

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57. Pitney Bowes is PAYING for this study?
Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jan 2013

The US Postal Service has ALWAYS been a public-private partnership. Unlike UPS, the Postal Service contracts to PRIVATE HAULERS, the hauling of mail and packages between cities., It contracted with Amtrak to haul mail and packages between New York City and Chicago via Pittsburgh till the mid 1990 (When Amtrak lost the contract to private trucking companies). Mail and Packages go via "Space Available" bases on Airplanes (Which is also an indirect subsidy to the same air lines). Bitney Bowes sell and operate almost all of the metered mail devices used by businesses and it is a PRIVATE COMPANY. In many ways the US Postal Service uses a lot more outside contractors then dies UPS and other package delivery firms.

Thus why is Bitney Bowes FUNDING this study? Is the drop in BUSINESS USE OF THE MAIL THAT SIGNIFICANT? Maybe, but NOT due to the drop in first class mailing by businesses but the drop in usage of postal meters due to the Postal Service adoption of getting stamps via the Internet. i.e. people who uses stamps, have dropped using first class mail, but businesses, who use to use postal meters have NOT reduced their level of mailings.

I suspect Bitney Bowes is worried that its business may decrease if the Postal Service reduces mail deliveries to three days a week, thus Pitney Bowes wants businesses to send mail, and this is the first shot by Bitney Bowes in the fight on HOW the reduction in mail service takes place. Given that the Postal Service already hires outside contractors to most mail (Registered mail is an exception, that stays within the hands of Postal Service Employees, but it is a very small part of the Mail Service, way smaller then its often confused cousin Certified Mail).

Side note: People confuse Certified Mail with Registered Mail all the time. The Confusion is both cost extra, and the received of both must sign for the Mail. The difference is how it is handled in between. Certified mail is treated like any other type of mail except the end user must sign for it. Registered mail is signed for by everyone who had possession of it at any time. I.e, you go to the Post Office, the Clerk accepts your Registered Mail, he then gives it to the truck driver driving to the local distribution point, who signs for it, When the truck driver gets to the local distribution point, it is again signed for by whoever receives it. That person then transport to the next distribution points and hand it off to the next person who also signs for it. This signing for the package continues till it is delivered to the recipient., who also signs for it. Please note, it is the INDIVIDUAL Letter that is signed for, if they are dozens, the person receiving the Registered Mail MUST sign EACH as the receiver of that package.

The key to Registered mail, is if the package is lost, you know exactly who had possession of it at that time and that person is liable for any content of that package. Thus registered mail is generally restricted to packages of high value, for example when the Hope Diamond was given to the Smithsonian Institute, the Diamond dealer who owned it and donated it, shipped it the way he always shipped his diamonds, by Registered Mail. My Father had to delver Diamonds, via registered mail almost every week when he worked in Downtown Pittsburgh in the 1970s (He delivery the diamonds to one of the few diamond cutters in the US outside of New York City, it has been out of business since the elderly owner closed shop in the 1980s). He once delivered a heavy package to a Lawyer in Pittsburgh, he had the lawyer sign for the package (it was registered mail) and asked why was so small a package was so heavy, he was told it was two gold bars. I do into Registered Mail for people confuse it with Certified Mail all the time. Certified mail is used when someone wants a signature that someone received something (generally a legal document). Registered mail is used when the sender wants to know WHO HAD THE PACKAGE IF AND WHEN IT IS LOST. If it is received, no one really cares (Except the Letter Carrier who has a signature that he delivered it and did NOT lose it).

Fuck them neo-lib bastards! Jesus I hate these people! Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #1
+1000 southern_belle Jan 2013 #9
You mean neo-CON bastards, trying to bust unions. Festivito Jan 2013 #15
Actually I did mean neo-lib. Most repukes are neoliberals as far as I can tell. Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #19
That's from the 1930s. It changed in 30 years. Now, it's another 30+ years. Festivito Jan 2013 #22
I don't think it's appropriate to conflate Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #36
I see. Them economically-neo-lib bastards, lacks the same flair. Festivito Jan 2013 #43
Actually neo-liberalism's definition has not changed, Chomsky is using it correctly. iemitsu Jan 2013 #59
But I whole-heartedly agree with your analysis of the media and the idiotic funding requirements Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #20
I know! It makes me so angry! nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #18
yep yurbud Jan 2013 #41
First target: that giant pension fund. Atman Jan 2013 #51
Yep..that has been the idea behind all this P.O. 'scare" dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #62
Ditto pmorlan1 Jan 2013 #55
Just say no! bl968 Jan 2013 #2
+ 1000 MBS Jan 2013 #45
You are right! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #58
The reason the USPS is suffering is by Congress's own doing: making them fund CurtEastPoint Jan 2013 #3
Exactly! nt snacker Jan 2013 #4
Plus a thousand. amandabeech Jan 2013 #16
Yup mac56 Jan 2013 #25
Small towns really depend on the PO. amandabeech Jan 2013 #34
Among other reasons mac56 Jan 2013 #35
Yes, it does help. amandabeech Jan 2013 #49
exactly right. thanks. n/t MBS Jan 2013 #46
Absolutely. n/t TDale313 Jan 2013 #28
+1000 Important context the corporate media is loathe to provide. cprise Jan 2013 #29
Watch millions lose mail service. And watch prices soar. McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #5
It's already efficient and inexpensive. It has to compete with private services already. Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #7
It doesn't have to compete with the private services Lordquinton Jan 2013 #27
Competition is a two way street, buy yay for your enthusiasm. I like the spirit of your post. n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #30
yup Skittles Jan 2013 #33
They really seem to long for a third world status for the US. It's so sad. n/t Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #39
Noooooo! frazzled Jan 2013 #6
You mean how to rip off the public, here come 5 dollar letters.... Historic NY Jan 2013 #8
haven't they learned yet that privatization is costly - decades of failure 2Design Jan 2013 #10
Privitization never FAILS to make rich those who demanded the privitization. amandabeech Jan 2013 #17
It doesn't take a think tank to figure out how to get them in financial shape Gman Jan 2013 #11
They better leave the postal retirees' pensions alone!!!!!!!!!!! glinda Jan 2013 #12
I'm a mail carrier.... Uniblab Jan 2013 #13
+1000 abelenkpe Jan 2013 #31
I agree with everyone on this thread, this is fucked. iemitsu Jan 2013 #14
In related news, Koch Industries has privatized the State of Wisconsin. Coyotl Jan 2013 #21
Don't laugh too quickly starroute Jan 2013 #23
Here in Oregon we've got vote by mail, which has been working great... SparkyOR Jan 2013 #24
get rid of the fucking pension funding requirement. The post office operated profitablly upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
Now that the wholly manufactured "Fiscal Cliff" act is over for now.... AlbertCat Jan 2013 #32
I have a plan! sofa king Jan 2013 #37
Yeah, and I bet you... ReRe Jan 2013 #38
The USPS is not "financially ailing", it's been looted by Repugs ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 #40
Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #42
Union busting isn't the only reason jmowreader Jan 2013 #48
They will pare off anything that can make money Cosmocat Jan 2013 #50
If that's their logic, they should cut down defense/pentagon spending ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 #53
Can't wait to start paying more for less! Ash_F Jan 2013 #44
Time to start paying for junk mail Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #47
I live in a small town loyalkydem Jan 2013 #52
That worked out so well with telecom Crow73 Jan 2013 #54
"study" = "find plausible-sounding ways to" closeupready Jan 2013 #56
Pitney Bowes is PAYING for this study? happyslug Jan 2013 #57
Thank you!!! for that info about Certirfied mail. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #63
Certified mail is good enough, if you want confirmation of acceptance happyslug Jan 2013 #64
The People Need To Take Over The Congress november3rd Jan 2013 #60
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! tilsammans Jan 2013 #61
I only wish they would come up with a way to stop the junk mail. Brigid Jan 2013 #65
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