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136. I would prefer if the newspaper gave me the choice...

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:54 AM

Dec 2012

...as to whether I wanted to advertise my gun ownership or not. I have seen people with stickers on
the door like "we don't call 911 we use 357" or "this house is protected by Smith & Wesson". It's not something
I would do but it's their choice. This newspaper decided to make the choice for all the permit holders in the area.

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New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar [View all] onehandle Dec 2012 OP

And their new list will surely include battered women, stalking victims, etc. slackmaster Dec 2012 #1

Does being battered/stalked explain why you covet assault weapons? Hoyt Dec 2012 #6

the article said pistols grahampuba Dec 2012 #10

Pistols are assault weapons too. Loughner and many others used handguns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #14

so that would be, grahampuba Dec 2012 #18

Depends on who is doing the categorization, doesn't it? We need to broaden the categorization beyond Hoyt Dec 2012 #21

would CA have a definition that suits you? grahampuba Dec 2012 #27

Nope. I think all semi-autos should be categorized as what they are. Hoyt Dec 2012 #36

Yeah - what's IN a word? Plucketeer Dec 2012 #40

One could, but it's not likely. If gun nuts were satisfied with derringers, we'd have few problems. Hoyt Dec 2012 #49

Oh, bullshit on the "definition of an assault weapon"... Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #59

its an established term grahampuba Dec 2012 #116

Is taxonomy that important to you? Chan790 Dec 2012 #133

Hoyt is just trying to bait me slackmaster Dec 2012 #15

well azureblue Dec 2012 #16

Good laugh of the day -- "you want rapid fire weapons because you can't shoot." Hoyt Dec 2012 #23

Information that was already public record. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #28

Not accurate, NYC Liberal. Home ownership data is public record. Addresses of renters are not. slackmaster Dec 2012 #30

The gun owners have the Second, the newspaper has the First. nt wtmusic Dec 2012 #51

The gun owners have the First as well, and it's a pretty powerful weapon. slackmaster Dec 2012 #52

Fine. What's the uproar about? nt wtmusic Dec 2012 #54

The uproar, as I see it, is that among the pistol permit holders are probably some people who are... slackmaster Dec 2012 #56

Nah, the newspaper's First Amendment rights shouldn't be curtailed for any reason. wtmusic Dec 2012 #65

If a battered woman is staying with trusted friends or hiding at a safe house... slackmaster Dec 2012 #66

She has her gun, what does she have to worry about? wtmusic Dec 2012 #67

You've posted that silly straw man argument several times now. It's not working. slackmaster Dec 2012 #68

No, sounds like your argument's hit the brick wall. wtmusic Dec 2012 #69

I regard the issue of someone who is trying to stay safe from a stalker as a serious one slackmaster Dec 2012 #73

Hey, maybe if Schaeffer knew there was a gun nut near her wtmusic Dec 2012 #74

She knew for three years that she was being stalked by a dangerous, unstable person slackmaster Dec 2012 #76

Bottom line: guns are not effective protection wtmusic Dec 2012 #79

* crickets *....* hoot - hoot * (<-owl) wtmusic Dec 2012 #84

I don't have a contradiction on my hands at all. Guns offer enhanced capability for self-defense... slackmaster Dec 2012 #95

She is why DMV info is no longer available obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #91

The information on a gun permit is obviously a public record Ms. Toad Dec 2012 #89

You are correct Ms. Toad. My main issue is with the law itself. I feel the newspaper acted... slackmaster Dec 2012 #94

They most likely won't be by the government, but there certainly has been some backlash ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #123

Still flogging a phony issue- Disgraceland Dec 2012 #152

You're very confident that out of 44,000 people NOT A SINGLE ONE is a stalking victim slackmaster Dec 2012 #153

So this information was illegally leaked to the paper? NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #57

The paper got the information from a FOIA request, I believe. slackmaster Dec 2012 #58

Right, so it was public information. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #61

Maybe it shouldn't be public information slackmaster Dec 2012 #63

The paper is just doing their bit IveWornAHundredPants Dec 2012 #90

Next they should list everybody that has a guardian. Igel Dec 2012 #109

Doesn't that collateral damage Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #29

That's a ridiculous rationalization slackmaster Dec 2012 #31

Bologna? Really? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #82

I'm sorry if I haven't expressed my point clearly enough. Peoples' HOME ADDRESSES are not... slackmaster Dec 2012 #93

So your beef is with the state of NY? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #100

As I explained to Ms. Toad, my beef is both with the law that allows release of that information, slackmaster Dec 2012 #102

It may be a crime, but I wouldn't notify the DOJ. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #111

Gluttons for retributions their are ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #2

Maybe that's why the newspaper keeps doing it mainer Dec 2012 #3

If you have an alarm, you put stickers all over the place to publicize it graham4anything Dec 2012 #9

Maybe in your low rent neighborhood ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #26

I would be so angry if I saw that in someones yard. xoom Dec 2012 #121

Its an extreme case, but barring CC&R issues, most likely legal ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #122

burn em! grahampuba Dec 2012 #4

I wonder when we will have our own plethoro Dec 2012 #8

The killer at Sandy Hook shot out windows to gain entry to the school Fumesucker Dec 2012 #11

It always comes for the least of these first. As structure forms, the plethoro Dec 2012 #24

Hopefully we'll see more anti-gun zealotry so that attitudes toward guns becomes very negative. Hoyt Dec 2012 #38

After the GOP Congress prevents any new gun control measures, come Spring, mothers will march. onehandle Dec 2012 #43

I hope so. Hoyt Dec 2012 #48

Excellent. Responsible Gun Owners™ many times aren't very responsible. Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #5

Good! The uproar from the NRA means its working. graham4anything Dec 2012 #7

I equate this with CCW HockeyMom Dec 2012 #12

Are all gun owners bad or potentially dangerous? Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #53

Yes, all gun owners are potentially dangerous. By definition. nt wtmusic Dec 2012 #75

Like all drivers are potentially dangerous hack89 Dec 2012 #77

All men are potential rapists slackmaster Dec 2012 #78

Yet somehow murderers overwhelmingly choose guns. wtmusic Dec 2012 #81

Yet where I live cars kill many more people than guns hack89 Dec 2012 #87

Because they're used a lot more. wtmusic Dec 2012 #92

And because gun violence is geographically concentrated hack89 Dec 2012 #96

Nancy Lanza was a legal gun owner, and you're correct: she wasn't the problem. wtmusic Dec 2012 #97

There will be no significant gun control legislation. hack89 Dec 2012 #98

...like Newtown, Connecticut? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #149

Gun deaths set to outstrip car fatalities for first time in 2015 whiteroses Dec 2012 #103

Ooops. Wondered why the gun stats constantly stopped in 2009... nt Pholus Dec 2012 #106

Why do they have defensive driving courses? HockeyMom Dec 2012 #85

I disagree Fumesucker Dec 2012 #13

Why wouldn't these people want others to know they have guns? AlbertCat Dec 2012 #17

The issue is whether all of these people want others to know where they live slackmaster Dec 2012 #19

If you had a crazy ex stalking you, and you bougtht a gun for protection Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #20

but our self righteousness supercedes that! grahampuba Dec 2012 #22

This obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #71

Wouldn't the crazy stalker already know where you are? mainer Dec 2012 #104

They're scared of their own shadows. onehandle Dec 2012 #44

The paper needs to be held liable for any adverse incident that might occur as humblebum Dec 2012 #25

the newspaper should be held accountable for weapons that people fail to secure? frylock Dec 2012 #55

You bet they should be held accountable, because in fact they would be. However, there is no excuse humblebum Dec 2012 #80

so how many years out should the newspaper be held accountable? frylock Dec 2012 #120

yeh, uh huh. humblebum Dec 2012 #124

you got nothing.. frylock Dec 2012 #141

I don't even consider your response to be a rational one. Any person reading humblebum Dec 2012 #142

That is a very weird thing to say... Bay Boy Dec 2012 #113

Yes but for a good reason. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #118

Because the gun manufacturers are indemnified of course... Pholus Dec 2012 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #32

Blogger posts names of Journal News staffers slackmaster Dec 2012 #33

~ Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #41

The alerter told an outright lie. Kudos to Jurors 1, 2, 5, and 6 for thinking with their brains. slackmaster Dec 2012 #42

It's the 1st against the 2nd amendment SCVDem Dec 2012 #34

With rights come responsibilities; with actions come consequences. slackmaster Dec 2012 #35

they must be selling a lot of papers nt NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #37

Yes, and that is the ONLY reason they would do it. slackmaster Dec 2012 #39

Like the NRA sells a lot of guns. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #46

NRA sells t-shirts, hats,etc but not guns ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #64

The NRA is in the business of selling guns. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #126

How so? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #129

Not so much anymore ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #62

Does having pistol permit mean you own a gun? TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #45

No, it means you have a permit to own a gun. slackmaster Dec 2012 #47

I have a license to operate certain specialized machinery TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #60

how much does this "specialized machinery" cost? ret5hd Dec 2012 #108

I don't do it very actively anymore either... Bay Boy Dec 2012 #115

No, it means you can buy one obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #72

You are given a coupon to purchase one ... Historic NY Dec 2012 #112

The entire database was on a website whospacking.com ... Historic NY Dec 2012 #50

About time, these patriots should be recognized for their contribution to our Country. A Simple Game Dec 2012 #70

I Woudn't Want My Kids In The Homes of These Patriots otohara Dec 2012 #83

. wtmusic Dec 2012 #88

Is it a good thing to possibly inspire hate crimes? JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #86

Kind of like publishing home info on abortion doctors marshall Dec 2012 #99

The Gladys Kravitz type people are eating it up slackmaster Dec 2012 #101

All my political contributions are online mainer Dec 2012 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #110

How would someone misuse Bay Boy Dec 2012 #114

If you're the only Dem in a town of rabid GOP mainer Dec 2012 #127

So do you feel that both lists... Bay Boy Dec 2012 #135

I'd prefer not to be on a public list, but it's the law. mainer Dec 2012 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #139

Political donor sites give name, occupation, zip code, and amount donated. mainer Dec 2012 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #143

OK so your friend took extraordinary measures mainer Dec 2012 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #145

I was once vilified in a wacko RW online site mainer Dec 2012 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #147

Sounds like a very interesting church you belong to! mainer Dec 2012 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #150

I could be used as a gun thief's shopping list, which would have the opposite effect the paper Flatulo Dec 2012 #117

Why are they declaring war against gun owners? Zax2me Dec 2012 #119

Because they are assholes slackmaster Dec 2012 #125

Too funny Blandocyte Dec 2012 #134

I believe the list is a self defeating activity. murray hill farm Dec 2012 #128

I would prefer if the newspaper gave me the choice... Bay Boy Dec 2012 #136

I wish they hadn't done this. WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2012 #130

Undecided? 74% are against gun bans according to USA Today davidn3600 Dec 2012 #132

I said "some assault weapons"... WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2012 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author davidn3600 Dec 2012 #131

If I was someone Old Troop Dec 2012 #151