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11. I'm surprised he didn't decide to use a chainsaw.

Reply to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:11 PM

Dec 2012

This is the kind of guy who belongs on "criminal minds".

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Gunman William Spengler Used Bushmaster, Left Chilling Note [View all] Omaha Steve Dec 2012 OP

If he bought the assualt rifle at a gun show, charged the seller. If underthematrix Dec 2012 #1

The problem is... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #6

Yes, this kind of accountability is totally missing now. mbperrin Dec 2012 #50

Gee, how about going after the company that made the hammer that he used on his grandmother? humblebum Dec 2012 #107

The laws inside gun shows are the same as the laws outside gun shows. PavePusher Dec 2012 #111

To the "we have enough gun laws" folks... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #2

He got it somewhere outside of the prison that he should never have been released from slackmaster Dec 2012 #4

Yep, he should have been left to rot. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #7

Yup. That wasn't manslaughter, it was premeditated. freshwest Dec 2012 #19

Do you think the prosecution exboyfil Dec 2012 #68

It was a plea deal. He was originally charged with murder, but plead to manslaughter to LisaL Dec 2012 #69

That is my point exboyfil Dec 2012 #71

Yes, we're looking back after this crime and perhaps making the case worse than it appeared then. freshwest Dec 2012 #72

The problem is some dumbass let a nut out of jail. oldbanjo Dec 2012 #93

Very true... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #98

True, because using, say a crowbar is much more sane. Katashi_itto Dec 2012 #99

What would give you the idea... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #100

agree - anyone who kills his grandmother with a hammer should not be let out of jail wordpix Dec 2012 #134

He should not have been allowed to purchase a gun marshall Dec 2012 #108

I agree... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #126

Our friends who love guns want us to believe Bushmaster is not an assault weapon. LaPierre Disease. Hoyt Dec 2012 #3

there's one thing LaPierre said on Meet The Press that I agree with Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #12

I think anyone who walks into gun store for assault weapon should be tested for LaPierre Disease. Hoyt Dec 2012 #13

You do realize the guy would have done more damage (and been just as illegal) W/a model 94 right? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #28

What I realize is that today's gun nuts are attracted to manufacturers' marketing campaigns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #30

I think you are right, the marketing is a big part of the problem... reACTIONary Dec 2012 #95

"militaristic styling cues"? Specifics, please? PavePusher Dec 2012 #110

The assult weapon ban of yore contained the specifics... reACTIONary Dec 2012 #129

Then you'll want to restrict the Winchester .30-30 as well, as it was designed for the military..... PavePusher Dec 2012 #131

Sure. Whatever works... (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2012 #132

Well, that was... unresponsive. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #133

FWIW I do not own a single weapon that would be affected by an AWB NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #106

I'm not so sure. sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #46

Oswald got off 3 shots in 5 seconds with a bolt-action rifle w/scope. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #51

He could have sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #58

Ummmm.... unless you actually use the sights on any AR15.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #109

Not so. sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #112

None of that negates anything I said. PavePusher Dec 2012 #114

I suppose sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #118

Sorry, but your training is quite out-of-date. PavePusher Dec 2012 #119

Spray-n-pay? sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #121

Sorry, I meant "spray-n-pRay". Darn typos... n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #123

I figured that out finally. sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #127

He was a convicted felon - somehow he got a gun - that's the issue. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #54

An "accomplice" would have to have known... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #65

And eventually those weapons will be removed from private hands also. It will take time. RC Dec 2012 #86

They aren't experienced gun owners. They are copy-cats HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #91

True. If there was a required bg check this guy would have shown up. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #103

NY gun laws here: PavePusher Dec 2012 #115

Then if someone sold it to him at gun show they broke the law. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #120

Only if they knew, or should have known, that he was a felon or had criminal intent. PavePusher Dec 2012 #122

There is a lot of fail in this story. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #5

Gun show probably. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #8

New York requires back ground checks on all sales at guns shows so probably not. NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #26

So maybe he took a few hours' drive to Ohio starroute Dec 2012 #32

Which would STILL be illegal. You get that right? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #104

Lots of states around New York don't. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #42

OK, does that somehow make it legal for a convicted felon to purchase a firearm? Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #105

A prison record for murdering his grandmother and we sold him a gun? aquart Dec 2012 #9

One More Victory For The NRA And Gun Apologists cantbeserious Dec 2012 #10

I'm surprised he didn't decide to use a chainsaw. dkf Dec 2012 #11

advertising that money cannot buy for the manufacturer nt msongs Dec 2012 #14

He did 18 years for murdering his grandmother, and he was then able to get hold of a gun? LeftishBrit Dec 2012 #15

But you see, he used a hammer on his mother rather than a gun, because shooting her would have... slackmaster Dec 2012 #16

What's the name of your advocacy group? IveWornAHundredPants Dec 2012 #23

American Symmetry Association slackmaster Dec 2012 #25

I thought you were... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #48

I read his post as tongue in cheak... socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #52

Gun Militancy Movement's Response To Victims And Their Families: Tough Shit. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #17

Huff. Post:William Spengler's Note Before Killing Webster Firefighters: 'Do What I Like Doing Best, Judi Lynn Dec 2012 #18

Free Republic just lost another member. alfredo Dec 2012 #20

So true. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #21

I guess FR is still in operation. alfredo Dec 2012 #61

sales of this brand, of course, will go up--that's now TWO "field trials" MisterP Dec 2012 #22

Question I'd be asking, is how much the manufaturers... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #62

Don't you just know that somewhere there's some fuckwad with an MBA coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #102

He beat somone to death with a hammer and he was out of prison? Third Doctor Dec 2012 #24

he did not have a right to own a gun bossy22 Dec 2012 #45

And how, exactly, does that billh58 Dec 2012 #53

Anyone can buy a gun with no paperwork in any City. oldbanjo Dec 2012 #96

A felon I know was arrested, he had three guns, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #94

The NRA should be charged like a driver who's passengers go to bathroom in gas station graham4anything Dec 2012 #27

He was a convicted felon KareBear Dec 2012 #29

He could have bought it off anyone and not broken any law, how would the seller doc03 Dec 2012 #31

And what exactly is the background check for? LisaL Dec 2012 #34

There is no background check for private sales in most states. n/t doc03 Dec 2012 #39

Well, there should be. LisaL Dec 2012 #41

That is the problem. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #40

I don't know how knowledgeable another person on DU was a couple days ago doc03 Dec 2012 #44

I believe federal law prevents felons from buying guns. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #49

He could could have bought a gun off of me or you, there is no doc03 Dec 2012 #60

Exactly. There's no record-keeping or background checks. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #73

To be pedantic, laws don't "prevent" anything. PavePusher Dec 2012 #113

That is true. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #116

And therein lies the billh58 Dec 2012 #55

Not to mention he looks like evil Santa.... eilen Dec 2012 #67

A law banning private sales may have helped, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #35

He might be able to have killed grandma with a hammer. Not so easy to do that with LisaL Dec 2012 #37

He could have killed them with several other weapons. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #43

And as YOU well know. NOT AS FUCKING EASILY! /nt TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #64

Several propane tanks rigged to explode when firefighters arrived? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #87

Still not as easy as <crack>, <crack>, <crack> TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #92

So why do hunters use guns? primavera Dec 2012 #135

N.R.A. , Republicans morn the loss of recent killers. pwb Dec 2012 #33

Am I mistaken here? lexw Dec 2012 #36

I don't believe we were hearing anything of the sort. LisaL Dec 2012 #38

Thx. I found the original article I saw on 12/24, and indeed, I misread it. :/ lexw Dec 2012 #130

AFAIK, it was descibed as an ambush from the beginning. nt HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #47

Yes, you're mistaken. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #59

Holy Moly, Mother of God... ReRe Dec 2012 #56

Prison does nothing to address people with psychological/emotional illnesses/issues. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #57

Oh give me a break. LisaL Dec 2012 #63

Are you saying you disagree? Live and Learn Dec 2012 #70

So instead of prisons, we should be now sending criminals to hospitals for treatment? LisaL Dec 2012 #76

Or get him in a treatment facility before he murdered his grandmother with a hammer. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #74

So you would have him treated before he did anything? For what, exactly? LisaL Dec 2012 #77

Did he display any signs before the murder? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #80

It used to be much easier. It is very difficult now. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #83

For what? Certainly you don't think that someone who Live and Learn Dec 2012 #84

That would be the optimum. We are a long ways from that Live and Learn Dec 2012 #81

A perfect example of a Gun Nut! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #66

Or a hammer-nut...or arsonist...or suicide attacker. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #89

He beat his grandmother to death with a hammer. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #75

He beat his own grandmother to death with a hammer Aerows Dec 2012 #78

Because he plead to manslaughter. LisaL Dec 2012 #79

What idiot offered a manslaughter plea? HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #85

I suspect a DA, who had a case where he had a good chance of losing. happyslug Dec 2012 #125

What the fuck was he doing out of prison in the first place? Jamastiene Dec 2012 #82

that's what i want to know, he was already in his mid 30s when he beat her to death JI7 Dec 2012 #88

He should have never went to jail he should have been hung the next day. oldbanjo Dec 2012 #97

He got out on good behavior, because they needed the room for another pot smoker. RC Dec 2012 #90

Which is ridiculous. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #101

This article is some tribute to a dingbat complete with picture and manifesto. Paul E Ester Dec 2012 #117

Posters sure do get caught up on the imagery of "beat to death". ieoeja Dec 2012 #124

It was fucking murder SpartanDem Dec 2012 #128